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Ask the Guides 3/9/2010

Tue Mar 9, 2010 11:20 AM EST
newsvine, help, meta, guides, newsvine-help, newsvine-guides
By Viki Babbles Gonia
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As you know, or you will after you read the announcement, Newsvine has designated Red Wolf, lauhal, and myself as Newsvine Guides.

Essentially, we're here to help users get the most out of the features of the site, to help guide new users, as well as to help any user who has a question.

We're not moderators. There are a lot of really helpful users on Newsvine, and the fact that we were chosen doesn't discount the help offered by users every day, all over Newsvine. And truthfully, the best reason to have "Guide" above our comments is to help newbies recognize that we know what we're talking about.

The three of us have batted around some ideas for the best way to organize any of the help we offer so that:

  1. We're not hijacking threads with answers to questions users might pose when they run into us around Newsvine
  2. We're able to keep track of the answers we provide so that others are able to reference them.

We've considered starting group discussion threads if necessary, and we might end up doing that here and there, depending on the question or issue and if we see the possibility of hijacking an unrelated thread with some help issue. We really don't want to do that. Also, those group discussion threads will be listed on the Newsvine Help front page, thus making them easier for us to find and reference.

We're going to try out posting articles (like this one) that will summarize some of the questions people have been asking us, as well as opening up the thread to questions users might have. The three of us will take turns posting these articles.

Aine used to put up Open Help threads, and this is essentially what we're doing here.

So, feel free to ask your questions below!

Thanks.

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Viki Babbles Gonia

We also welcome suggestions for how to organize help. We know the best way we would do it, but it's probably particular to how we use the site. How would you like to best find answers to questions that have been asked and answered before?

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 11:21 AM EST
RFBS

Viki,

Can you compile questions and set up periodic FAQs that can be sorted by subject (?), key word (?), issue (?), etc. ?

These could be accessed by members in a specific area that is set up for this purpose.

Another site could be set up for submission of questions that may be worthy of the FAQ site.

    #1.1 - Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:27 PM EDT
    Viki Babbles Gonia

    Ah, to Dreeeeem the impossible dreeeem.

    That's the hope, RFBS. It will take some time, but we're working on it.

      #1.2 - Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:05 PM EDT
      Sir Richard Owen

      RFBS #1.1 - Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:27 PM CDT

      Can you compile questions and set up periodic FAQs that can be sorted by subject (?), key word (?), issue (?), etc. ?

      If you go to the Newsvine Help group, there is a box called "Articles & Seeds by Tag" that already does this, somewhat. It wouldn't be hard at all for someone writing a help article to add a tag addressing a specific issue to their article, that would then show up in this box.

      What bothers me, is that there is no mention in any way, shape, form, or fashion, of the Newsvine Help group under the "Help" button up at the top right corner of this page. It could be added in, in either the Newsvine Help page, or the Other Questions page relatively easy.

      • 2 votes
      #1.3 - Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:06 PM EDT
      RFBS

      Hi,

      And, thanks for these responses.

      Of course, Viki, I still remain somewhat computer illiterate, so it is easy for me to just think up these "ideals", but I can never imagine the blood, sweat and tears required to make it happen. I am sure you must see certain limitations to this system very easily.

      Sir Richard, your idea about tagging appears very simple and straightforward. Maybe it can be explored in greater depth by the experts.

      When I read your post, I was so tempted to click into your links so that I could see what you are talking about, but I had bad experiences with that (Maybe this is another good question for the group.):

      When I am in the middle of writing a post and click onto a link that somebody included in theirs for reference, I return to find my post-in-progress completely eradicated. My "stoneage" method of solving this is to bring the entire site up twice so that I can click on to any links in one without destroying what I wrote in the other.

      Is my computer ignorance showing, or is it showing???

      However, I came up with another idea/question:

      Could constructing polls be of any use for this?

      I thought about this last night as a means of getting a consensus from the other members about a particular issue or question. Perhaps this can help to weed out those issues that are not commonly experienced by others, and concentrate on those that are more outstanding.

      Maybe this is even more of an impossible dream (or could it be a nightmare?), but I thought I would throw it into the ring, anyway.

      Thanks, again.

        #1.4 - Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:24 AM EDT
        rottlady

        When I am in the middle of writing a post and click onto a link that somebody included in theirs for reference, I return to find my post-in-progress completely eradicated. My "stoneage" method of solving this is to bring the entire site up twice so that I can click on to any links in one without destroying what I wrote in the other.

        If you "right click" on the link you get an option to open it in another window/tab. That's what I usually do.

        • 5 votes
        #1.5 - Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:08 AM EDT
        RFBS

        Wow, how simple.

        Thank you, Rottlady.

        I will try this the next time.

        • 1 vote
        #1.6 - Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:11 PM EDT
        Extraterrestrial

        My girlfriend and I have to use the same computer since this is all we have, she wants to start a newsvine account so she can join in on the fun. (she's getting tired of me talking about it and feels left out) but having two accounts on the same computer would cause us both to get banned. Is there a way around that?

        • 3 votes
        #1.7 - Fri May 27, 2011 2:37 AM EDT
        lauhal

        Two people can use the same computer for Newsvine. It's only an issue when it becomes clear that two people are actually one person using multiple account for no good. As long as you're both good users, there is no reason for Newsvine to take a look at your accounts. If there is drama, weird voting patterns, etc., then they take a look.

        Just remember that YOU got her to join and you'll be fighting over that computer. LOL

        • 5 votes
        #1.8 - Fri May 27, 2011 7:15 AM EDT
        Lets look at the facts

        Hip! Hip! Hurray!!

        • 1 vote
        #1.9 - Fri May 27, 2011 9:28 AM EDT
        Extraterrestrial

        She hasn't joined yet, and your right we probably will be fighting over computer time! Maybe I'll keep that information to myself and let her think it would risk getting banned if she joined on my computer!he he.

        • 1 vote
        #1.10 - Fri May 27, 2011 5:14 PM EDT
        Viki Babbles Gonia

        You may also want to shoot an email to staff via the Report Bug button above (choose "other" from the drop-down list) and let them know. Your accounts will both be noted.

        • 3 votes
        #1.11 - Sat May 28, 2011 9:13 AM EDT
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        Ben Josephs

        the fact that we were chosen doesn't discount the help offered by users every day

        I'm totally done helping new users, that's the guide's job. Get to work.

        Kidding aside, is there a way for you guys to be informed when a new user signs up and comments, then email them?

        • 6 votes
        Reply#2 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 11:49 AM EST
        Viki Babbles Gonia

        I'm going to drag up the oft-discussed concept of an email that's sent to new users automatically.

        We do spend a lot of time in the Greenhouse looking for good new users (and hunting spam), and I used to contact some who I thought needed a little guidance, so I'll be doing that again.

        • 4 votes
        #2.1 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 12:02 PM EST
        Scott (Scoop) Butki

        going to drag up the oft-discussed concept of an email that's sent to new users automatically.

        We do spend a lot of time in the Gree

        hooray

        hey i saw something new today - a pop up reminding new users not to self-promote. was that related to this?

        • 1 vote
        #2.2 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 10:49 PM EST
        Viki Babbles Gonia

        I think that's always been there. How did you see it?

        • 1 vote
        #2.3 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 11:24 PM EST
        Scott (Scoop) Butki

        It popped up as i was about to seed something like it was my first seed or something

        see mic's post below

        • 2 votes
        #2.4 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 11:43 PM EST
        Simplistic Reality

        I just had a friend just and she is totally brand spanking new and in the green house. To try and explain this site to her and everything in it seems like a daunting task. She already has taken the lead to post her first article which is cool. I'm bad at saving links and stuff but if you guys have real handy for me... a few good articles / links that are a crash course for a newbie that would be great. If not I'll have to write one for her, but I know there has been others posted.. just don't got the links handy at the moment. Scott I think I recall you having the links somewhere for this type of thing.

        • 2 votes
        #2.5 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:04 PM EDT
        Scott (Scoop) Butki

        The old help threads like this one - have links to lots of helpful articles and some questions were asked and answered on this mentoring article

          #2.6 - Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:08 PM EDT
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          bitemore

          I haven't checked the front page lately, but I think you need a link there, something prominent, called "Newsvine Help Desk" or something like that. Maybe it should also appear to the left of every article and seed so that anyone, at any time, can click it and find themselves at the "help desk." The idea of a "Help" group is excellent. It could be the "Help Desk" with everything arranged by topic...

          Good luck! I'm pullin' for ya!

          • 5 votes
          Reply#3 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 11:53 AM EST
          Viki Babbles Gonia

          Well, there is the faq, available by clicking on "Help" up in the top top left-hand corner of every page.

          I know the faq was being reworked a while back, so we should probably get that settled and posted.

          • 5 votes
          #3.1 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 12:03 PM EST
          Scott (Scoop) Butki

          ront page lately, but I think you need a link there, something prominent, called "Newsvine Help Desk" or something like

          Great idea.

          if they can post links at the top of the front page to msnbc interviews why not to ask the guide?
          going to drag up the oft-discussed concept of an email that's sent to new users automatically.

          • 1 vote
          #3.2 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 10:51 PM EST
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          River-239955

          CoH. CoH. CoH. CoH. CoH. CoH. CoH. CoH. PLEASE let's develop a stronger system of honor and integrity !

          I'd really like to see more links to the honor and ethics codes. I know there are some, or at least one or three, stashed away somewhere, and even I occasionally catch myself thinking "Wait a minute... Should I really say that?" When my own thoughts are in question, rather than go and hunt down the answer in the CoH, I usually just don't post. Some people, though.....

          There are days here that the deliberately offensive nature of some users just shines. On weekends, for instance, there doesn't seem to be any moderators at all around. (It is entirely possible that I just don't see them. Newsvine is a big place.) While I understand that the offenders are likely not to ever learn to respect any sense of a Code of Honor, I'd really like to see that reminder around more often.

          • 6 votes
          Reply#4 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 12:12 PM EST
          Red Wolf

          The Code of Honour is in the footer of every page.

          Although I think you may mean that we need more moderators.

          • 4 votes
          #4.1 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 3:46 PM EST
          River-239955

          AHA ! I had not noticed that there. Thank you !

          Another moderator or two could be helpful. It's quite a jungle here somedays. I do understand though, that even with any amount of policing, there will always be those who do not want and will not respect a CoH.

          • 5 votes
          #4.2 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 4:44 PM EST
          Reply
          rottlady

          I like the idea of you all doing a help thread like this. I'm going to clip this and refer folks here if I see questions from users. You all will have your hands full I bet!

          • 7 votes
          Reply#5 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 12:17 PM EST
          Viki Babbles Gonia

          Thanks!

          • 5 votes
          #5.1 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 1:01 PM EST
          Reply
          keith in DSM

          OK, first question.

          Over on the left hand side of the home page there is a spot called Fun Stuff. The first entry under Fun Stuff, in small print, there use to be an clickable entry that said, "My Watchlist," or "My Watchlist Page."

          I do not have that little line anymore. Has it been deleted by Newsvine?

          I sent a bug report two weeks ago, but haven't had a reply yet.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#6 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 12:42 PM EST
          Viki Babbles Gonia

          Yeah, the watchlist is gone, apparently. I'm not sure if it will be coming back, and I'm not sure why it's been done away with.

          Basically, I just answered your question with a bunch of "I dunno!" Sorry I don't have better info for you, but I'll see if I can't get a better answer.

          • 2 votes
          #6.1 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 1:01 PM EST
          keith in DSM

          It seems like I am probably missing new articles/seeds without it. Where else do you find everything new posted to Newsvine?

          • 4 votes
          #6.2 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 1:24 PM EST
          Viki Babbles Gonia

          There's the watchlist that appears along the left hand side of your page. You can add Newsviners, groups, or tags to it. That's pretty much what I use when looking for new stuff.

          • 2 votes
          #6.3 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 2:23 PM EST
          keith in DSM

          Yep! That place is getting pretty busy on my computer. Unfortunately, many of the same seeds/articles are posted to the groups I watch, which makes things more time consuming and/or redundant.

          • 1 vote
          #6.4 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 3:36 PM EST
          Reply
          Broliver Stagnasty

          I thought that I used to highlight the sections that I wanted block-quoted when posting a seed, article or comment. Either I am doing something different or this function does not work anymore... He said with the inflection rising at the end....

          B.S.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#7 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 4:59 PM EST
          Red Wolf

          I do that when using the seed bookmarklet and it works.

          I do know that sometimes you mouse moves on the article beforehitting the seed vine bookmarklet and it misses the quoted text or grabs something else. However, it has stopped working for me in the past, but grabbing a new bookmarklet from the site fixed the issue.

          • 1 vote
          #7.1 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 5:07 PM EST
          Broliver Stagnasty

          What is a bookmarklet?

          • 1 vote
          #7.2 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 5:16 PM EST
          Red Wolf

          It's a link in the sidebar that you drag to your favourites. You highlight text on an article, hit the bookmarklet and it pops up a seed Newsvine window with the highlighted text already blockquoted. Very handy.

          • 2 votes
          #7.3 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 6:02 PM EST
          Broliver Stagnasty

          Thank you.

          • 1 vote
          #7.4 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 7:24 PM EST
          Reply
          Joanna Caroll

          How would you like to best find answers to questions that have been asked and answered before?

          Ask the Guides homepage, prominently displayed, should do it! Or add it to the Fun Stuff, tool bar, make a "wizard" (MSN, easy, no?), insert after History. I've seen questions asked regarding links; inserting pictures; earnings; how/what is tagging (just today). Hope you folks get more than a new color for this!

          • 1 vote
          Reply#8 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 10:16 PM EST
          USAF Vet-923294

          Okay.....Here is one:

          I have been here a few days over one year. Today I get a message at the bottom of the box that says that AS A NEW USER some features maybe unavailable! Then the black strip at the top with my screen name and other such associated with my name disappears. Then I get a black strip at the top that says I need to verify my account and if I don't have an e-mail to click there.

          WHY?

          • 2 votes
          #9 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 11:00 PM EST
          Scott (Scoop) Butki

          i dont know what to make of that but it happened to me too

          • 2 votes
          #9.1 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 11:45 PM EST
          MegnMacLean

          Same here... just reported it as a bug, but I'm glad to know I'm not the only one dealing with this.

          • 1 vote
          #9.2 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 11:49 PM EST
          Viki Babbles Gonia

          Happening to me too. I've tried commenting here three times and I keep getting sent to that "validation email has been sent" page and my comments aren't posting.

          Tech has been alerted.

          Edited to add: Okay, that one worked obviously.

          • 3 votes
          #9.3 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 11:52 PM EST
          USAF Vet-923294

          Okay, that one worked obviously.

          Hmmm.....what did you do? After you posted the edit, my wetbar went away!

          • 4 votes
          #9.4 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:06 PM EST
          Viki Babbles Gonia

          Test

          • 2 votes
          #9.5 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:19 PM EST
          USAF Vet-923294

          Nope......still missing my wet bar. Try again.

          • 4 votes
          #9.6 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:32 PM EST
          Red Wolf

          Everything should be back to normal now.

          • 2 votes
          #9.7 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:02 PM EST
          USAF Vet-923294

          Looks like it is......[crossing fingers] kijdiohN....[uncrosses fingers] hopefully it lasts.

          • 3 votes
          #9.8 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:18 PM EST
          Broliver Stagnasty

          By Wetbar, I take you are referring to the bar across the bottom of the window?

          B.S.

            #9.9 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:26 PM EST
            bitemore

            #9.9: By Wetbar, I take you are referring to the bar across the bottom of the window?

            Exactly. Here is the article introducing it: Welcome to the Wetbar.

            • 3 votes
            #9.10 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:41 PM EST
            Viki Babbles Gonia

            I'm still missing my wetbar. Sniff.

              #9.11 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:43 PM EST
              bitemore

              I'm still missing my wetbar. Sniff.

              Awwww.... me sowwy...

              • 2 votes
              #9.12 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:55 PM EST
              Viki Babbles Gonia

              Well, it's back now. It wasn't working on firefox, but worked on Opera and IE. And now it's back on firefox. Yeah. I love it.

              • 2 votes
              #9.13 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:53 AM EST
              Reply
              bitemore

              Well, after a night of Newsvine falling apart in pieces, I finally rebooted my computer and logged out and logged back in, and everything seems to be functioning well at the moment. I'll probably never have a clue what happened, but you know what's scary? I went into withdrawal! Am I that addicted that I can't function without Newsvine? Say it ain't so!

              • 4 votes
              Reply#10 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:43 AM EST
              keith in DSM

              bitemore - IF they had an award for the highest number of comments posted, I think you might be the winner. Yep, you're an addict. Take two aspirin and go to bed.

              • 1 vote
              #10.1 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:06 AM EST
              bitemore

              #10.1: Take two aspirin and go to bed.

              Sigh. I did that, last night at 1 AM. But, I don't think I come anywhere close to the highest comment-count. Check out the leaderboard... I don't come in even a close second... boo hoo hoo hoo hoo....

              • 3 votes
              #10.2 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:11 AM EST
              River-239955

              Up way too late, and way too early.... Me, too.

              Great minds think alike. :)

              • 2 votes
              #10.3 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:54 AM EST
              Reply
              Jim Helbig

              Thanks for the info. Now I know why I am not still in the Greenhouse.......because lauhal got me out of there! I am going to have to send lauhal a thank you note. And how do I become a member of this group? Thanks.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#11 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:47 PM EST
              Viki Babbles Gonia

              The Newsvine Help group? I will send you an invite!

              • 1 vote
              #11.1 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:48 PM EST
              Jim Helbig

              Whoa! I don't know how much help I'll be able to offer, because I have only been a member for a couple weeks. I thought this was the Newsvine Community Group. Sorry!

              • 1 vote
              #11.2 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:02 PM EST
              Viki Babbles Gonia

              Don't worry. It's for people who are looking for help as well as people who have it to offer!

              I'll send you an invite to Newsvine Community as well.

                #11.3 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:45 PM EST
                Reply
                menmy2

                I have a question: How long does it take to have the 'Recommended Articles' pages populated? I've been a Viner since September of '09 and have voted on a whole buncha articles. Everytime I click on 'Recommended Articles' I am told that I haven't voted on enough articles and check again tomorrow.

                What gives?

                • 1 vote
                Reply#12 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:21 PM EST
                bitemore

                #12: I have a question: How long does it take to have the 'Recommended Articles' pages populated?

                I've been here since November of 2008, and my "recommended articles" says the same thing... so, I'd say this is an excellent question!

                • 2 votes
                #12.1 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:28 PM EST
                Viki Babbles Gonia

                I would think both of you have been here long enough. I'll check with the smart people who sit in front of computers all day and see if I can't get an answer for you.

                • 1 vote
                #12.2 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:09 PM EST
                menmy2

                Viki, who said you weren't shweet??

                LOL!!

                  #12.3 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:34 PM EST
                  Reply
                  henry1966

                  Well, embarrassing but I can't seem to blockquote somebody.....and if I do my orginall new comment is also shown as " in blockquote"....Have been away for a while, it that's an excuse ;-) Seriously, how do I blockqoute a a phrase or sentence into my comment?

                    Reply#13 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:21 AM EST
                    Viki Babbles Gonia

                    There's two ways, Henry.

                    In Easy Mode: Copy and paste or type the phrase you'd like to blockquote into the comment box. Highlight it. Click the quote button. In order to continue typing something you don't want quoted, hit return/enter and then click the quote button again.

                    In XHTML Mode:

                    add the blockquote tags before and after the passage you'd like to quote.

                    < blockquote>before the passage and< /blockquote>

                    after (you'll need to remove the spaces before "blockquote". I had to add them so it wouldn't turn what I've written into a blockquote!

                    • 4 votes
                    #13.1 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:36 AM EST
                    henry1966

                    In Easy Mode: Copy and paste or type the phrase you'd like to blockquote into the comment box. Highlight it. Click the quote button. In order to continue typing something you don't want quoted, hit return/enter and then click the quote button again.

                    Like this, thank you Viki :-)

                    • 1 vote
                    #13.2 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:46 AM EST
                    Viki Babbles Gonia

                    You're quite welcome, Henry. Welcome back!

                    • 1 vote
                    #13.3 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:35 AM EST
                    Reply
                    Ben Josephs

                    Long time user, first time questioner.

                    When I get a group membership request, it says, "This user has only left comments elsewhere on Newsvine (none in this group yet)", but I know damn well that some of these users have commented on articles published to the group. Is it only checking the group discussion tabs? If it is, I find it to be a little lame considering their non-use.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#14 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:56 AM EST
                    Viki Babbles Gonia

                    First of all, I just snerted into my chopped salad, first time questioner.

                    My educated guess is that it is only looking at group discussion tabs. And it would have to be public group discussion tabs, because if they're not a member, they can't comment on a private group discussion tab anyway.

                    I'm thinking that the powers that be, when designing that function, thought that group discussion tabs would have caught on better than they have, because they should, because they're useful.

                    Maybe if we all start utilizing the group discussion tabs, that won't bother you anymore.

                    See how helpful I can be?

                    • 2 votes
                    #14.1 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:43 PM EST
                    Ben Josephs

                    I hope there weren't any loose boogers.

                    I made an effort to promote group discussions but the article was mostly hijacked by off-topic comments belonging to the group tabs... (go figure). Lots of new users since then, perhaps it's time for another promotion article.

                    I once left a comment on a group discussion tab and I was told by the author that they preferred all comments to be on the public discussion so everyone could see them.

                    • 3 votes
                    #14.2 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:54 PM EST
                    Ben Josephs

                    Oh, and I don't mean to imply that I'm the one who needs to write the article. I've procrastinated writing 'how to run your Newsvine group', which several people have asked me to do, for the last, umm, year.

                    • 4 votes
                    #14.3 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:09 PM EST
                    Viki Babbles Gonia

                    Oh, so you're implying that I should write an article promoting group tabs? Not such a bad idea. I just might do that.

                    And a "how to run your Newsvine group" article is an EXCELLENT IDEA. That's me hopping up and down and squeeing about that idea. If you don't do it, I will.

                    • 3 votes
                    #14.4 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:36 PM EST
                    Reply
                    Ben Josephs

                    Do how-to meta articles now fall to the guides? It's a question worth pondering.

                    I have what I think is a good idea. Create 'Guide Blog' account. The three of you could write 'official' how-to articles (ones like this too) and clip other 'helpful to new user' articles by us regular folk, then throw it on everyone's watchlist, like the Newsvine Blog is.

                    /tangent

                    The three of you could collaborate on expanding my original group tab article. Less work for each of you and it's bound to be much more complete.

                    I was holding off writing the running a group article because of the impending, coming any day now, v2 tools, but I may as well do it. I do need something to work on this weekend, other than video games and house cleaning.

                    ETA: Ah shoot! I find it a little annoying when people start new comment threads when they should have replied to a current thread, and here I go and do it myself. (Maybe you guys should write an article on that... oh and also one on the difference between seeds and articles. Not everything is a seed.

                    • 7 votes
                    Reply#15 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:53 PM EST
                    rottlady

                    Ah shoot! I find it a little annoying when people start new comment threads when they should have replied to a current thread

                    Oh oh oh, that is one of my biggest pet peeves! You go Ben! I've written about that one before, some folks paid attention, some didn't....

                    • 6 votes
                    #15.1 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:42 PM EST
                    Viki Babbles Gonia

                    I don't think how-to articles should necessarily fall to the Guides. I, for one, found a certain dog-lover's very informational how-to articles (hint, hint, she commented above me) to be really helpful.

                    I think your Guide Blog account is an awesome idea. I'm going to run that one past staff and Lauhal and Red Wolf and see what they all think.

                    As far as a group article, Ben, I think a lot of what you'd probably be talking about wouldn't be dependent on the tools available, and could be easily updated if necessary. A lot of the problems we all see with the running of groups have more to do with ensuring the content fits the purpose of the group, booting users who clip everything they seed or write to every group to which they belong (SO ANNOYING), etc.

                    Rottlady, would you mind linking to where you've discussed the reply issue?

                    • 3 votes
                    #15.2 - Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:42 AM EST
                    rottlady

                    I'd be glad to Viki, it's in the first few paragraphs of my Rottlady's Hints for Newsviners #3.

                    • 4 votes
                    #15.3 - Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:15 PM EST
                    Ben Josephs

                    Oops.

                    She found it way faster than I did.

                    • 4 votes
                    #15.4 - Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:39 PM EST
                    Viki Babbles Gonia

                    Thank you!

                    • 3 votes
                    #15.5 - Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:18 PM EST
                    Reply
                    Sir Richard Owen

                    I have some questions. Y'all ready for this?

                    1. Avatar -- What file types are allowed? JPG is a given. What about GIF? In Particular animated GIFs. I found a cute one I wanted to use, but I couldn't get it to upload.
                    2. What causes "Collapsed by the Community"? Is it automated? Is there a threshold? What is it? When I see a comment collapsed, and it has 25 up votes, it makes me wonder what is going on.
                    3. Publishing Articles/Seeds -- If I uncheck the "all of Newsvine" and don't check any other groups, where does it go? If "all of Newsvine" is checked, does it still go to the groups even if they are unchecked? I don't want to annoy anybody unintentionally.
                    4. If I paste a large block of text into an article I'm writing, it disappears. The only way I can see it is to preview it or publish it. It's only viewable again in the edit box after I publish it.
                    5. User Column -- How do I get pictures in the column header? Is that reserved for special people?
                    6. Wet Bar -- Are they still working on it? I'd just as soon have a way to turn it off completely.
                    7. Add to Watchlist -- Is there anyway to tell who is tracking me?
                    8. Help Button -- Is anybody going to fill the void left by Brian Ford? I'm talking about Help/Newsvine Help/this Newsvine Primer. Seems there's people running their own Help columns, but if you don't know where to look, they're hard to find.

                    That's all I can think of now. I'm sure I'll have others.

                    TIA

                    • 2 votes
                    #16 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:47 PM EDT
                    Viki Babbles Gonia

                    1. I never seen an animated GIF as an avatar, and my bet is that the system won't accept it. I'll ask just to be sure.

                    2. Collapsed by the Community means that a comment has been reported/flagged as inflammatory or no value by a certain number of people. We don't know what the threshold is, though some have tried to experiment to figure it out. Staff is intentionally vague about that to prevent the intentional collapsing of comments. And I do believe that the number of votes a comment has may be factored in to how many reports it takes to collapse it, but I'm not entirely sure.

                    Users who have had a comment collapsed can petition to staff to have it fully restored if they believe it was done unfairly. And they should, as users who are intentionally reporting comments they don't agree with just to get them collapsed should be chastised for doing so. Users abusing the reporting system can and have had their reporting privileges revoked.

                    3. If you uncheck all of Newsvine and don't post to any groups, the article/seed will appear only on your column. You have to check specific groups in order for an article/seed to be published to the group.

                    4. Sounds like a bug and should be reported via the "report bug" button above right.

                    5. More customizable columns are currently in beta testing. Those are the users who have pictures in their header. And yes, I guess you could say their special. Some of them very much so. But they're basically users who have a track record of using a lot of Newsvine features and reporting bugs and issues when they find them.

                    6. I have no idea if there's ever going to be a way to turn it off completely. My instincts tell me that we're just going to have to get used to it.

                    7. Nope. But I kinda wish there was.

                    8. I'm not sure what you mean by "fill the void left by Brian Ford." While he wrote many excellent articles about how to use certain Newsvine features (among other things), there are plenty of other users who do that as well.

                    Newsvine Help is a great place to forage around for helpful articles written by users. Lauhal, Red Wolf and I have been talking about the best way to reorganize the material found there. You can leave a comment on the Newsvine Help discussion module on its front page and often another user will pop in and offer some help. You can email one of us Guides if you have a question as well. Hopefully over the next few months, the three of us will have been able to organize all of the helpful stuff that is floating around here in order to make it easier for users to find answers to their questions.

                    • 2 votes
                    #16.1 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:14 PM EDT
                    Ben Josephs

                    ...an indexed document of the help articles would be delightful.

                    • 3 votes
                    #16.2 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:42 PM EDT
                    Viki Babbles Gonia

                    Yes it would. We'll get it together. It might take us a bit, but we will.

                    • 1 vote
                    #16.3 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:52 PM EDT
                    USAF Vet-923294

                    What causes "Collapsed by the Community"? Is it automated? Is there a threshold? What is it? When I see a comment collapsed, and it has 25 up votes, it makes me wonder what is going on.

                    I have voted up a comment, because it was good or I agreed with it. Then, reported it, because it was inflammatory.

                    It is possible to be both right and break the rules.

                    • 4 votes
                    #16.4 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:22 PM EDT
                    Sir Richard Owen

                    USAF Vet-923294 #16.4 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:22 PM CDT

                    I have voted up a comment, because it was good or I agreed with it. Then, reported it, because it was inflammatory.

                    It is your right to reward unsatisfactory behavior, but is it right to do so? Or is it even worth the effort, even if it's just a mouse click, if you know the comment is wrong? Not that it matters if a comment is going to get deleted regardless.

                    It is possible to be both right and break the rules.

                    And COH para 4.b. addresses that issue specifically:

                    "If a comment contains a personal attack or other gross Code of Honor or User Agreement violation, it may be deleted - regardless of the quality or nature of the rest of the comment. Users are welcome to re-post moderated comments without the offending portion(s)."

                      #16.5 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:37 PM EDT
                      lauhal

                      Regarding number 1: I know that our avatars are not animated, but certain source logos are. Off the top of my head, the Islam Tribune logo is animated. I rarely see them, but they do pop up occasionally. Weird.

                      • 2 votes
                      #16.6 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:49 PM EDT
                      Sir Richard Owen

                      lauhal #16.6 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:49 PM CDT

                      Off the top of my head, the Islam Tribune logo is animated.

                      Yes, that's an animated GIF. Looks like shrinking it down messed if up. You can "steal" it: http://www.newsvine.com/_vine/images/ico/2521.gif

                      Our avatars are 120 x 120. The gif I want to use is 100 x 80, so it should fit. I think I will play with it some more.

                      • 1 vote
                      #16.7 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:01 PM EDT
                      lauhal

                      Uh oh. What have I done? :0

                      Aiding & abetting a criminal? ;)

                      • 2 votes
                      #16.8 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:06 PM EDT
                      Red Wolf

                      Be aware that animated GIFs can be large in file size and may be rejected by the system for that reason.

                      The other problem with your proposed GIF is aspect ratio. GIFs are heavily compressed already. You upload a 100x80 image it will likely be automagically resized to 120x120 and it will look horribly pixelated and distorted. However, if it's resized in the backend, it will be converted to the preferred system format which is unlikely to be a GIF and your animation will be lost.

                      Also worth bearing in mind that your example is flashing at a rate likely to induce epileptic seizures and is quite annoying.

                      • 1 vote
                      #16.9 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:18 PM EDT
                      USAF Vet-923294

                      Or is it even worth the effort, even if it's just a mouse click, if you know the comment is wrong?

                      That is just it. A comment can be factual and still break the rules. I vote it up, because I agree with the argument or premise and report it if it breaks the rules.

                      It is no different then supporting an issue and hating the way some protest for that issue.

                      You are simply agreeing with the message and disagreeing with the means it is delivered.

                      • 2 votes
                      #16.10 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:35 PM EDT
                      Sir Richard Owen

                      Red Wolf #16.9 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:18 PM CDT

                      Be aware that animated GIFs can be large in file size and may be rejected by the system for that reason.

                      Well, the "example" GIF is 1.19K file size/4K disk size. The one I want to use is 2.28K/4K. I don't think size is a problem.

                      You upload a 100x80 image it will likely be automagically resized to 120x120 and it will look horribly pixelated and distorted.

                      I don't think that will be a problem either, since it's mostly white background, with a small object moving around. Details are hard to make out from the start. It's the motion that matters.

                      if it's resized in the backend, it will be converted to the preferred system format which is unlikely to be a GIF and your animation will be lost.

                      That's where the problem lies. But if it didn't convert the "example" (as evidenced by the flashing), then maybe it won't convert the one I want to use either, unless there are more pages to mine than there are in the example.

                      Also worth bearing in mind that your example is flashing at a rate likely to induce epileptic seizures and is quite annoying.

                      I need to make it perfectly clear that it *not* my example. I'm not the one using it on a page. lauhal posted a link to where it was being used, and I posted a link showing how to separate it from that location. Yeah, it annoyed me too. If it causes siezures, then maybe someone needs to take a look at it from other perspectives, which aren't in the scope of this particular forum.

                        #16.11 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:54 PM EDT
                        Red Wolf

                        Cool. Size won't be a problem then.

                        The resize issue may be more of an problem that you realise, but until it's in place it won't be obvious. A good example is the avatar in the wet bar. It's showing at 40x40, yet the resized image itself is 30x30 and it looks really blurry. Also one example of an image that's resized by the system. It's unlikely that one will survive intact.

                        • 2 votes
                        #16.12 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:01 PM EDT
                        Sir Richard Owen

                        Red Wolf #16.12 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:01 PM CDT

                        Cool. Size won't be a problem then.

                        My current avatar is only 217 bytes ;) Yours is 9.22K

                        The one I want to use looks very similiar to my current, with a small fly moving around. At the 30 x 30 resolution, details won't matter, as long as the little black spot continues to move.

                        It's unlikely that one will survive intact.

                        I'm going to try again later. You'll be one of the first to know if it works.

                          #16.13 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:52 PM EDT
                          Ben Josephs

                          The highly voted collapsed comments are more likely the result of the people on one side of the issue voting it up, regardless of its delivery, and the other voting it 'down' because they disagree with the message and its delivery and sometimes totally disregarding the latter.

                          I may happen to vote for comments that I agree with but it's not why I vote, pretty much because of the above reason. Voting for a comment, seed, or article solely because it's agreeable, in my opinion, a disingenuous thing to do and not a way to 'get smarter here'. A vote means that I have read and considered the comment and while not necessarily agreeing, felt it positively contributed to the conversation. I'd vote for a child molester arguing to legalize child molesting if they made a sane and rational argument based in reason, without resorting to rhetoric or talking points.

                          Oh, I also vote for wit. I love witty comments.

                          The community needs to promote sane, rational debates. Voting and then reporting inflammatory comments is not encouraging that and only helps to degrade discourse. You know everyone is looking and reading collapsed comments and seeing how many votes it's gotten, if the likelihood of deletion is minimal, there's no recourse. How's that for a lesson in how to receive attention on Newsvine?

                          • 3 votes
                          #16.14 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:09 PM EDT
                          Ben Josephs

                          It might take us a bit, but we will.

                          I can imagine wading through the Newsvine Help group would be a bit arduous. There are probably good articles in someone's clippings that didn't make it to the group too.

                          How's this for a streamline? Make the community do it. Write up and article and ask for suggestions of which ones should be indexed.

                          Erm, I probably need the practice, I might be be willing to index it myself. I would need to finish a couple things around here first. Obligations...

                          • 2 votes
                          #16.15 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:22 PM EDT
                          Sir Richard Owen

                          Red Wolf #16.12 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:01 PM CDT

                          It's unlikely that one will survive intact.

                          No Joy in animated GIF Avatars on Newsvine. At least not by mere users.

                          I found a program that would let me disassemble the .gif file into it's individual frames, then I uploaded them to a MySpacegen.com site that enlarged them to 120 x 120 pixels and reassembled them into a single animated file.

                          When I tried to upload the file as my avatar, the upload window just hangs with the black wait screen. I even tried to upload it into an article. No luck there either.

                          The animation runs just fine on my computer, so there's nothing wrong with the file.

                          Oh Well....

                            #16.16 - Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:56 AM EDT
                            Red Wolf

                            I'm not too surprised. From a design point of view, it would be the kind of thing I would block if possible.

                            Thanks for taking the time to give it a go and share your feedback.

                            • 2 votes
                            #16.17 - Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:51 AM EDT
                            Sir Richard Owen

                            Red Wolf #16.17 - Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:51 AM CDT

                            From a design point of view, it would be the kind of thing I would block if possible.

                            Well, I had to register with the site I was stealing the avatar from to find out the "why." Seems that avatars on that site have to be submitted, and then authorized by admins. Which means they have to be tested for size, compatibility, viruses, etc. I guess that's more work than staff want to put into it. I bet Newsvine has a lot more users than the site I'm talking about does. That could be a lot of work.

                              #16.18 - Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:05 PM EDT
                              Reply
                              Sir Richard Owen

                              Viki Babbles Gonia #16.1 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:14 PM CDT

                              1. I never seen an animated GIF as an avatar,

                              Really? There's websites specializing in nothing but avatars. The one I want to use is one I found on in a blog site. (I could email you a link to the avatar, if you promise not to use it yourself ;)

                              Collapsed by the Community means that a comment has been reported/flagged as inflammatory

                              I would imagine the ones that are flagged No Value just get collapsed, while the ones marked Inflammable get sent to tyler. (I'm either answering my own question, or subconsciously trying to make a suggestion. I don't know which.)

                              If you uncheck all of Newsvine and don't post to any groups, the article/seed will appear only on your column. You have to check specific groups in order for an article/seed to be published to the group.

                              That's what I needed to know. Thanks. I wasn't sure. A user told me I need to unclick All on one of my articles and send it to "Meta". Well... at the time I wasn't a member in any groups. Is this something that's supposed to be learned in the "Greenhouse"? Some how, I never went through there.

                              Users abusing the reporting system can and have had their reporting privileges revoked.

                              They must be doing it via email. The only public floggings I've seen....

                              Sounds like a bug and should be reported via the "report bug" button above right.

                              It's easy to duplicate, hard to describe. I think it has something to do with single spaced lines.

                              I have no idea if there's ever going to be a way to turn it off completely. My instincts tell me that we're just going to have to get used to it.

                              Wasn't it one of those Carnegie fellers that said, "The Customer is always Right"?

                              Login is done with a Cookie. I got a Tracker at the top of the screen that doesn't work right either. Don't use Facebook, Twitter, or know anybody on the ground I want to email to. Hide tools doesn't. It plants itself right where alert messages come up from my System Tray. Oh, and the indicator for expanded or mini should stay where it was saved at.

                              Nope. But I kinda wish there was.

                              It might just increase the paranoia of people who think they're stalked already. Otherwise, I'll take any color besides purple. I don't want any purple Barney's following me around.

                              Shouldn't be hard to do, though. They have no problem stripping you of you compass while you're an Author, then giving it back. Just a different Touch of Grey ought to be easy.

                              Newsvine Help is a great place

                              Yeah, well, how does a newbie, er, greenie find it? Help button's a Dead End.

                              Hehe... strike-through [newbie] didn't work.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#17 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:34 PM EDT
                              Viki Babbles Gonia

                              I've seen animated avatars. Just not here on Newsvine.

                              I think you're pretty much correct on your assumptions of how the reporting works, for the most part.

                              You can find Newsvine Help, which is a user-run group, by clicking on the link I provided. ;)

                              It's help.newsvine.com

                              • 2 votes
                              #17.1 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:43 PM EDT
                              Reply
                              henry1966

                              I somehow can't get links in my comments. It won't even appear in my comment. If for example I would say " here" is what I mean. And when people click on here it should lead them to whatever link I meant by it. Either Newsvine or outside Newsvine. I usually am using easy mode but when I "try" to do that I switch to HTML instead. What is the proper way to do that?

                              Thank you in advance.

                              • 3 votes
                              Reply#18 - Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:48 PM EDT
                              lauhal

                              Hey Henry. Are you highlighting the text you want linked when in either mode?  Is this a recent problem or have you had it in the past?  I know you've been gone a while.  Welcome back.  :)

                              • 4 votes
                              #18.1 - Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:02 PM EDT
                              Sir Richard Owen

                              henry1966 #18 - Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:48 PM CDT

                              I somehow can't get links in my comments

                              If you want to copy a word from another text (that already has a hyperlink embedded in it). just highlight the word, right click and select copy. Don't click Copy Link Address, because that will just take the hyperlink, and leave the work behind (unless that's what you want to do). Then Paste it into your comment.

                              If you want to link a word in your comment to another page:

                              • type the word in your comment,
                              • go to the other page, (works best if the other page is open in it's own tab/window)
                              • copy the other page's address, (make sure the address bar is highlighted, then right click and select copy). (left click in the page, then single left click the address bar should highlight the whole thing)
                              • then return to your comment,
                              • highlight the word you typed previously.
                              • the little icon with 3 connected links of a chain will light up
                              • click it
                              • A balloon will appear with a space to paste the address link into.
                              • With the balloon open you can also decide whether you want the linked page to open in the current window of a new one.
                              • 2 votes
                              #18.2 - Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:32 PM EDT
                              henry1966

                              Hey Henry. Are you highlighting the text you want linked when in either mode? Is this a recent problem or have you had it in the past? I know you've been gone a while. Welcome back. :)

                              Thank you lauhal. It's a recent problem.

                              • 1 vote
                              #18.3 - Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:34 AM EDT
                              Reply
                              henry1966

                              Like this ?

                                Reply#19 - Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:38 AM EDT
                                henry1966

                                *This space left blank* thank you :-)

                                  Reply#20 - Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:42 AM EDT
                                  henry1966

                                  Here is Henry again. I am confused and I want to do the right thing. Please give me some guidelines when it comes to voting on comments. When I write an article and people respond I always give votes to everybody. Sometimes my own comments stay without votes and I don't consider that important but I want to make sure if there's a non-written rule about this.

                                  Thank you in advance.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#21 - Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:39 AM EDT
                                  Sir Richard Owen

                                  henry1966 #21 - Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:39 AM CDT

                                  Please give me some guidelines when it comes to voting on comments.

                                  Instructions:

                                  http://www.newsvine.com/_nv/cms/help/faq/interacting

                                  Opinions:

                                  http://snotrag-dave.newsvine.com/_news/2010/03/04/3978057-stop-voting-up-your-own-stuff-v-20

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #21.1 - Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:53 AM EDT
                                  Reply
                                  henry1966

                                  Thank you space, just voted on your comment ;-)

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#22 - Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:33 AM EDT
                                  storyartist

                                  I need some help here. I'm fairly new at seeding and writing articles, and now I have a situation where I need to close one of my seeds from future comments. I have a stalker (please don't say to contact admin -- they've been ignoring me for 2 days). I now only want to close off to comments rather than deleting the entire article, if possible. I know I've seen that done before. Can you hep?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#23 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:33 PM EDT
                                  Red Wolf

                                  You can't close comments on seeds, only posts. If this is an issue of stalking it really does need to go to admin.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #23.1 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:29 AM EDT
                                  Sir Richard Owen

                                  storyartist #23 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:33 PM CDT

                                  I have a situation where I need to close one of my seeds from future comments.

                                  What Red Wolf said about seeds...

                                  Next to the Title of your article you will see a little Edit pencil. Click it. Just below the body of your article you will see a box that says Accept Comments. Uncheck it. That should do itl.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #23.2 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:31 AM EDT
                                  storyartist

                                  I've already been through that. It isn't there. One of my Friends sent me a photocopy via email of what that looks like, and it's missing on mine. It's only white space to the right of the drop-down menu for category.

                                  In the photocopy, I also noticed a bar where you can add a poll, and upload an image. That's ALSO missing on my version.

                                  To eliminate a browser problem, I opened my old IE7, logged onto Newsvine, and in that browser, I still have the same omissions. My usual browser is Firefox.

                                  Suggestions?

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #23.3 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:53 PM EDT
                                  Sir Richard Owen

                                  storyartist #23.3 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:53 PM CDT

                                  I've already been through that. It isn't there.

                                  Like Red Wolf said, you can't close comments on seeds. My advice applied to articles that you have written yourself. There is a difference between the two.

                                  You need to look at Paragraph 4b of the Code of Honor:

                                  "If a comment contains a personal attack or other gross Code of Honor or User Agreement violation, it may be deleted - regardless of the quality or nature of the rest of the comment. Users are welcome to re-post moderated comments without the offending portion(s)."

                                  Sometimes you have to use an iron fist in a velvet glove.

                                  If you delete someone's comment, it's always best to explain why, warn them not to do it again, and carry out the threat if they continue. You can post complaints to the Staff while you are doing this. Sometime it takes longer than we expect, but they do take action if it's warranted.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #23.4 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:37 PM EDT
                                  Red Wolf

                                  *This space left blank* is spot on, do not be afraid to delete comments that attack you. Leaving a simple "#23.5 Deleted as a personal attack" is the best form of explanation. That way you are not feeding the troll.

                                  As always, make sure you hit the ! button to report the comment you're deleting.

                                  Sometimes deleting the comments of trolls just sends them off the deep end and they will comment spam in retaliation. Keep reporting and deleting any violating comments and make sure to drop a line to admin or Tyler directly to explain the situation.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #23.5 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:50 PM EDT
                                  storyartist

                                  Red Wolf and This space left blank ---- OK. Not to be defensive, but I'll give this synopsis. I'm asking for a solution to the programming problem, because the *procedure* once again fails me. Administration fails me. Not complaining -- just sayin -- my next level is hopefully to stop the comments so I do not have to delete the entire seed. Here's the scorecard:

                                  • Warnings to offender: 4
                                  • Deletions: 10
                                  • Firm Requests to leave: 2
                                  • Requests from other posters: 8

                                  I believe I satisfied the "iron fist" as well as following through with the procedure. I have reported daily via Report a Bug Malicious User, as I've been told in the past is more effective than the exclamation point. Zero response -- day 3 and counting. I posted a comment to Tyler on the seed in case he was monitoring -- zero response. You are welcome to browse yourself. The offense begins around comment #1.38 and story continues thru 1.87.

                                  http://storyartist.newsvine.com/_news/2010/03/20/4042028-weiner-tears-apart-goper-who-read-fake-memo-on-house-floor-video

                                  I'm asking about the shutdown of comments, since it appears I need to solve these problems myself. I don't particularly get frustrated about the lack of administrative support when problems arrive -- but I do get frustrated that when I attempt to go about solving them, people suggest I go to admin -- when they are basically, ineffective.

                                  Any suggestions are welcome, except advice about dealing with intimidation. Trust me, I'm OK there. My frustration at the time was not being clear if I was violating the moderator's CoH, but as it progressed into stalker mode, and by admin's lack of response, I assume they were OK with my handling of the problem. Now I just need to wrap it up. Any tips about shutting off the "Accept Comments" button?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #23.6 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:34 PM EDT
                                  lauhal

                                  I'll contact one of the tech guys right now. I know you're frustrated...hang on.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #23.7 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:48 PM EDT
                                  storyartist

                                  Thanks! I'm just trying to shut off new comments if that's possible. Everybody who was participating is finished, I believe. The topic is old now. A.Mac retreated. I just need upswing to cease and desist.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #23.8 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:11 PM EDT
                                  storyartist

                                  Tyler followed up -- THANKS for interceding on my behalf! You were correct, Red Wolf, the seeds can only be stopped from future comments by deleting the whole article. Tyler basically sorted out the appropriateness, told the stalker to quit, and gave some tips. Since I'm a new seeder, that was quite appreciated. It wouldn't have happened without the GUIDES, though!

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #23.9 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:19 PM EDT
                                  Ben Josephs

                                  Is there a particular reason why comments can't be disabled on seeds?

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #23.10 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:24 PM EDT
                                  Sir Richard Owen

                                  Ben Josephs #23.10 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:24 PM CDT

                                  Is there a particular reason why comments can't be disabled on seeds?

                                  The whole purpose of Newsvine is to discuss things. Without discussion, it would just become an extension of whatever site the seed came from.

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                                  #23.11 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:24 PM EDT
                                  Sir Richard Owen

                                  storyartist #23.6 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:34 PM CDT

                                  Any tips about shutting off the "Accept Comments" button?

                                  Where there is a will, there might be a way...It just depends on how much work you want to put in to it.

                                  Someone with more knowledge of the topic needs to discuss the differences between Self Governed Public Groups, and Self Governed Private Groups, concerning comment-posting privileges. The only thing I know about it is one time the Tracker lead me to an article where I could read the comments, but I couldn't post one because I wasn't invited to join.

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                                  #23.12 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:39 PM EDT
                                  bitemore

                                  #23.12: ...the Tracker lead me to an article where I could read the comments, but I couldn't post one because I wasn't invited to join.

                                  Aha! You probably came to the one possible workaround: posting to a private group! I wonder if the publishing can be changed from "All of Newsvine" to a private group (and if you don't already belong to one, perhaps you can create one for the purpose)! It won't delete the article, and it won't stop comments, but if the group is private, only the group's owner and admins can accept a new member. And only members can comment and/or publish to the group.

                                  I just don't know if this is possible after the fact (of publishing to all of Newsvine). Might be worth it to try, though.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #23.13 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:39 PM EDT
                                  Ben Josephs

                                  The whole purpose of Newsvine is to discuss things. Without discussion, it would just become an extension of whatever site the seed came from.

                                  It'd be a useful moderation tool if a seed got out of hand, instead of having to delete.

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                                  #23.14 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:29 PM EDT
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                                  menmy2

                                  Okay, I have another question.

                                  I see lots of interesting stories on the Vine; unfortunately, a good chunk of them are seeded by MSNBC and attracts those kinds of posters. Would it be a violation if I seeded these articles myself to avoid having to deal with them? I've seen several that I would love to comment on, but the threads are full of them people. :)

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#24 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:08 PM EDT
                                  Red Wolf

                                  Rather than reseeding them, which is naughty, why not search for the story via a source other than MSNBC? While it's the same story, if it's from another source, it adds a different view which is always good.

                                  • 5 votes
                                  #24.1 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:37 PM EDT
                                  Sir Richard Owen

                                  Somebody at MSNBC is liable to be mad at me...

                                  I went to the biggest MSNBC seed I could find:

                                  Gas line severed at home of lawmaker's brother (5962+ comments)

                                  Not wanting to be the little fish in the Big Pond, I clicked on the "Start New Discussion" button.

                                  So, now I have a thread underneath MSNBC's seed (The gas line at Bo's house) , where I am apparently the moderator (I have a trash can...) Bring "them" on!!!

                                  It says it's published to all of Newsvine, but I may be the only one who can see it (it has a lock icon on it), so here's the link:

                                  http://politics.newsvine.com/_news/2010/03/24/4063828-gas-line-severed-at-home-of-lawmakers-brother?threadId=825248#c13193772

                                  Then, I made myself a Private Group (also called The gas line at Bo's House), and I seeded and published the same article to the group (not all of Newsvine). Then I made a comment to the article.

                                  Funny how the 2 comments I made show up in the Conversation box in two different articles.

                                  Since I'm the only member, it sure is lonely in there...

                                  The rules say I have to wait 30 days before I can delete it.

                                  Oh, well...

                                    #24.2 - Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:49 AM EDT
                                    Viki Babbles Gonia

                                    Yippee for group conversations! I love them and I think they're vastly underused. You've hit upon the exact and perfect reason for their existence, space.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #24.3 - Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:56 PM EDT
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                                    Scott (Scoop) ButkiDeleted
                                    Viki Babbles Gonia

                                    #25 deleted at Scott's request due to posting on wrong article

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#26 - Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:26 PM EDT
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