How I would fix Newsvine

I think he does too and I also think he has a Troll with the screen name of B. A. in Psychology.

There is no such name on the Vine. I typed it in the search bar because this person used an article of mine posted back in September of 2009 about "Hair" to try an make a point. Unless one is affiliated with the Vine, how would this person know about a year old article and why is it burned in his memory bank.

To quote mrsrachelm....

"Fixing Newsvine? Pffft Good luck."

Btw, Darrah? That isn't one of your accounts, is it? I see you closed down Darrah's Uncle. Now you have only 2.

I'm not sure what you're referring to. What do you mean "he has a troll?"

There's someone named "B.A. in Psychology" giving Brian grief over on Brian's site -

What do you mean "he has a troll?"

Viki, sorry I didn't get back until now. After going into the article, at the bottom is a place to leave comments. Barb is right. B.A is a troll. Read my comment I left. It explains everything.

Also, you're making allegations that Darrah has more than one account? Just so you know, I can look that up.

I'll save you the time...

http://beloitrose.newsvine.com/

That one is a Troll account

http://wwwnewsv.newsvine.com/

This one was Darrah's Uncle which was open 4 days ago. Darrah was called out on it by another Viner and was open when I checked it. It's now closed.

http://darraheliz.newsvine.com/

This is another Troll account

http://darrah--greenville--sc.newsvine.com/

And this is the trouble maker itself.

Now, look at this....

http://illuminate.newsvine.com/_news/2010/10/05/5236108-cant-win-for-losing?commentId=18168125#c18168125

Read the comment. Then look at this...

http://illuminate.newsvine.com/_news/2010/10/05/5236108-cant-win-for-losing?commentId=18168125#c18200625

Also, if you look at the articles it seeds....

http://darrah--greenville--sc.newsvine.com/

...any of the articles that have anything to do with a sexual nature, you get admonished for talking about sex.

Viki, you know as well as anyone else that if you post an article with a sexual overtone, you're going to get a room full of little boys looking at the bras in a Sears catalogue, all the while giggling and the little girls who love them.

This Darrah person has hopped all over the place causing havoc where ever it goes. Numerous Viners have had run ins with this person. There's something not right with this person. The reason why I'm using "it" and "this person" is because, I don't know if it's a she or a he because of some of the comments it makes.

The Crush article was an excellent article and Darrah took it down because.....hell I don't know why. McSpocky took his down because......well.....Read his article I linked up there and you'll know why.

If you wish to report that a user has multiple accounts, please do so by using the Contact form. We will do the appropriate investigation to determine if this is true.

Viki, I don't do reports. I don't even demand my comments get reinstated if they get deleted. I'm not here to babysit Viners. If someone deletes a comment of mine, so be it. I'm on the Vine to make goofy comments, laugh and have fun. Just like the majority of these people are.

As it stands, this reads as if you are attempting to start some kind of inflammatory argument. That is absolutely not welcome in my thread.

Nope. I'm not attempting anything. I'm telling and showing you facts. There's nothing to argue about because if you question Darrah on anything, this person leaves and goes on someone elses article and boo hoos. She's boo hooing over on McSpocky's article. I asked her to open a comment where she supposedly told me to leave her article. At least according to her she did. But instead of showing me the proof, she shut the whole article down. I would have gladly left. So, as far as I'm concerned, she never said that so therefore I'm calling her a liar.

As far as deleting #1 or this one, Viki, do what you must. You're the author and I respect your decision.

Sincerely,

dkaz

Darrah, Greenville, SC

[The following is from one of the clubs to which you are a member, Viki...Metavine]

Darrah @McSpocky,

I know just who you feel. In the last couple of days, not only did I have to delete my article "newsvine crushes" but I had to delete " Hallelujah, A Christan Sex Shop!" It was strange because I seeded the latter almost 3 wks. ago. But some people decided to take it off the shelf and play around with it. Now that I think of it that very same thing happened to an article I seeded about six wks. ago called "Not So Strange Female Fantasies." After getting only two responds, it ended up on the main page--alive and kicking. Hmm. So I had to delete three, because some people don't know how to have fun discussing these topics without turning it into something smutty, which none were written in that way at all. I won't be surprised if my upcoming articles are collapsed by these little minions. What's really sad is that I had some great viners commenting on the articles I had to delete.

I don't have kindergarten trolls, I have baby trolls. Evidently they haven't come out of their diapers yet. Maybe some day...

So don't feel bad about losing one itsy bitsy friend. I'm sure a lot of people who could have been my friends will now think I'm a total loser (which I'm not), after being presented with some things that weren't true on your now deleted article. And look at it this way. The many friends you have will stand behind you and diss the friend you lost.

Wow, ain't it sad!

Oh, I'm now having a pop-up warning on this page because of a viner whose NV address came up. Soo , I know who you are (friend of spock) and I've gotten in touch with newsvine.

Don't you just love "friends" who are that vindictive?

Yes,Darrah....Whether you have multiple accounts ...or not ...is not a problem here....as you've said "You have a" Madonna/ whore" complex [your own words]....seeding articles that are bated for virtual "sexplay"...and then admonishing those who fall into your trap.

Darrah: .....after being presented with some things that weren't true on your [McSpocky's] now deleted article.

I was at your deleted article and at McSpocky's,Darrah..... where you were bad mouthing everyone you let play on your's before deleting it [Newsvine Crushes]....Everything said by the commenters was true... Who was missing ....was " Sybil".

But she may have been lurking there too.

Viki, do you know you can call your phone company and have your IPS address changed every month? Mine changes everytime I have a power outage. Being that I live in the #2 Lightning Capital in the World, mine gets changed quite often.

dkaz did not know that, and why would you want to change your ips address every month.

Security purposes. Keeps the hackers at bay. My IPS is changed automatically each month. If a power outage occurs, as I mentioned above, it gets changed again. So sometimes, it can be changed many times in one month. Especially during hurricane season.

I have a friend in England whose house I watch. He has a system running 24/7 for business purposes here in the States. I go over at least 3 times a month to get him his new IPS.

If you want to know your # and keep track of it type in...

"What is my ips address" in the search engine.

thanks dkaz did not know about that.

gp or Viki....

Oh, I'm now having a pop-up warning on this page because of a viner whose NV address came up. Soo , I know who you are (friend of spock) and I've gotten in touch with newsvine.

What kind of pop-up warning does NV have that warns a Viner of another Viners "address"? And what "address" pops up? What's Darrah talking about here and how do I get a pop-up warning put on my account so it pops up on any article I'm on?

That hasn't really been proven yet. It's your opinion of Darrah against mine and many others, Viki.

Yes. It has been proven. The IPs don't match. None of those are multiple accounts of Darrah of Greenville SC. It's not my opinion. It's the clear conclusion I have come to after looking at the actual evidence.

Viki, do you know you can call your phone company and have your IPS address changed every month? Mine changes everytime I have a power outage. Being that I live in the #2 Lightning Capital in the World, mine gets changed quite often.

dkaz

gp or Viki....

Oh, I'm now having a pop-up warning on this page because of a viner whose NV address came up. Soo , I know who you are (friend of spock) and I've gotten in touch with newsvine.

What kind of pop-up warning does NV have that warns a Viner of another Viners "address"? And what "address" pops up? What's Darrah talking about here and how do I get a pop-up warning put on my account so it pops up on any article I'm on?

oh....Stop being so smart,dkaz.... and start acting the oversexed blond.....yer reckin' yer image

...and my daydreams...heehee

Hey yew! Don't you have some grocery shoppin' ta do?

And please stay on topic as I would like to know about this pop-up warning. I need it fer critters like yew.

Ouch, now that smarts.

Clarifies so many things and answers several questions. Thank you, Tyler.

Tyler,

I just got an email from dkaz... This is what part of it said....

NV gave me the 2nd account so I could access my "Hair" article. It got so big it locked me out. I tried to make the comment to Tyler but I'm locked out.

Is she still banned since it was Newsvine that gave her the second account?

Hi Viki and Tyler,

gpnavonod doesn't live with dkaz. He lives in Queens, NY and has never been to Florida. I know because I have lunch with him all the time. I know she has 2 accounts and so does Josh. He made it for her because she got locked out of her hair article part 1 as just dkaz and so does everyone else, since it's in the hair article part 1.

I have two accounts from one house hold. One belongs to my husband, but he barely uses it, unless I have something interesting to show him. I think that there must be a mistake here, and it merits being looked at. She has been a good viner here for over 2 years and has never even had a suspension. I know that you are both fair people, so this has to be a mix up. Please look into this matter a bit further and talk to Josh and you will see that I am right.

tyler

Hmm. dkaz, you have two accounts.

Not gpnavonod - they appear to just live with you sometimes - but this one: dkacz. That you've used twice in the past month, on the exact same articles that your dkaz account was visiting, logging out and subsequently logging in. Looks like you were just using it to upvote and not report, but still. You've had two accounts for a full year. Both accounts banned.

Being that I live in the #2 Lightning Capital in the World, mine gets changed quite often.

Not for the device you used to access Newsvine in the past six months

No Tyler,this is gpnavonod...or Peter gerard Donovan...I live in NCY...dkaz lives in Fla.

....and I see you are doing a great job watching the the wrong accounts. The account of which you speak was "created" because you[Newsvine] could not keep up with the comments[in the thousands] on dkaz's "Hair"article....and the author, dkaz, asked Newsvine for help...because she was locked out...and they couldn't give her any

.....You do want a monitor ,Don't you? So she made a new account...ad hoc...and was able to access her runaway article.Something wrong with the agenda there?...I think not?....and nor should you.

Your memory is short,Tyler, or is it selective?..Her fault? Or Newsvine's?

Subject: Using Newsvine

Hello dkaz,

Please know that your Newsvine account has been suspended indefinitely due to postings by you which have been determined to be in violation of the Newsvine User Agreement you agreed to abide by upon registration.

This [above] is a disgrace...My opinion ,Tyler, and If having one is forbidden here...Well, so much for Newsvine

It sounds worth checking, but why would she have been locked out of her "Hair" article?

It's 7090 comments. I've seen many articles larger than that, and I've had a few that were close to that, without any problems.

Geez Tyler! Banning dkaz seems pretty harsh. Especially since NV knowingly gave her the second account. I have always known dkaz to be a good NV citizen, and while this may be a UA violation, it seems like the situation deserves some clemency.

Sincerely!
Mal

Dennis,

Why don't you ask Josh Yocky. He has all the information about this.

Because that's not my job.

I'm sure that Tyler, upon reading this, will check with him and take whatever measures he deems appropriate.

This is so obviously wrong on so many levels, where does one begin? Why, out of all the conversations taking place at this moment in time, why was Tyler drawn to this particular conversation?

Did someone use the ! button or something? Was she reported during her time on this thread?

Dennis P McCann

It sounds worth checking, but why would she have been locked out of her "Hair" article?

It's 7090 comments. I've seen many articles larger than that, and I've had a few that were close to that, without any problems.

Well Dennis, ask Newsvine...they were jerkin' her around and being less than helpful....maybe it was the rate the comments were commin in...

the second part Hair Par Deux went smoother....maybe it was people not using a new comment box and using a reply button instead...whatever....it was eventually overcome...but the new acct lingered on as a joke...we all knew about it...and she wasn't using it...cuz we all knew...She should have deleted it...but "who knew it would be used as an axe???"

.Hey btw i live in NYC..[CORRECTION] The capitol of the World LOL

gpnavod, I'm not really concerned with any of that. The only relevant question, as I see it, is whether the second account was sanctioned by Newsvine or not.

If it was, I'm sure Tyler will reinstate her account. If it wasn't, things will stand as they are.

Hey btw i live in NYC..[CORRECTION] The capitol of the World LOL

I heard they're moving the capitol to Dubai....

In breif...the point being ...the account in question was not created with malicious intent...or to circumvent any banning...but because Newsvine could not solve a problem .

Tyler...You have totally misjudged this case...

I heard they're moving the capitol to Dubai....

Cool....kin ya hook me up with an apt?.....gotta have a nice water view ;-)

There are two BANNINGS that I know of just today for so-called multiple accounts; in these two cases, I have been given what seem to be reasonable explanations that mitigate the circumstances in favor of those banished.

PLEASE ... let's air these out ... right here ... let everyone make his/her case ... then, as a community, let's have open dialogue!

All in favor ...

Aye!

AYE!!!!

Aye!

I really hope dkaz is reinstated, she's alot of fun.....and from the sounds of it, she didn't do anything wrong.

Tyler,

I was also trying to help dkaz at the time of her 'Hair" articles and remember this very well. She was trying very hard to monitor/moderate the overwhelming responses (in the thousands) and was literally locked out from her ability to access her product and uphold/maintain her responsibility to newsvine as well as all of the contributors.

We (many of us helped her) established "Hair II" and she subsequently (days) later received NV IT support.

Irrespective of any other "violations" to ban her for this "offense" is not only wrong but very telling as well. I agree completely with gp # 1.23.

dkaz is one of the best souls in this forum and should be reinstated immediately!

Please look into this closer Tyler. Dkaz is really a very wonderful lady and I believe that she would not knowingly do anything wrong. Maybe the IT support set her up an account that was not approved by you and if so, it's not Dkaz's fault.

Aye!!!

Chris in VA was banned for multiple accounts from same IP. Was his wife's account.

Here is the serious flaw in the "two users in the same household" so-named "violation."

In the absence of any tangible, verifiable misuses ... like intentionally misrepresenting one's identity for the purpose of committing libel or fraud or stalking, etc., as long as users in the same household or, those with each others' consent sharing a computer do not violate a NEEDED STIPULATION REGARDING ON-VINE ID, what's the problem?

Spouses, housemates, family members in the same dwelling can each register and vote as individuals ... so let them register as individuals on Newsvine and adhere to a corresponding ID CoH. Other CoH violations are addressed based on the specific violation in question. Open the personal information registration form to a declaration of multiple users portion. If that is violated, then ... take appropriate action.

We should discuss this.

I agree, A Mac.

I agree too Mac.

I wrote about Chris here.

Mac.,

I'm breathing. I'm breathing. I'm so glad you showed up.

I'm wondering if Tyler thought Dkaz was being rude to Viki and this is what spurred the investigation, but in all honesty, I thought they were handling themselves quite well. So, surely it can't be associated with that, if you know what I mean. Hopefully.

With so many "real" problems out there, It is IMHO that those causing actual "problems" would be the first targets and not the people that have been long time productive contributors to this site !

Please check and recheck your decisions on both Chris and Dkaz ! They have both been informative, fun and a asset to this site and community !!!!!

If NV gave dkaz the second account to sort out a problem, then close the second account now that the problem is over with......and reinstate her. Problem solved. What's the big deal?

And as I wrote to NV staff earlier in the day on 'report bug'....and I agree with everyone here.....please consider reinstating Chris in VA....he and his wife are good people and didn't do anything wrong. Both are contributors from the same computer in the same home.

With all due respect Viki, No we don't "know" that, I have never seen the other account used and "we" would not have any knowledge of it other then the word of those that can see it.

Viki,

You said:

The fact is that dkaz had two accounts. Regardless of the reason for creating the second account, she was still using one to upvote the comments of the other, and to report violations twice.

That is not what Tyler said. He said:

Looks like you were just using it to upvote and not report, but still.

She didn't use the account to report. There is no violation. Furthermore, no one told her that she was supposed to delete the other account. I am on the phone with her right now.

Tyler,

Unless Peter can fly, there is some sort of glitch. Peter lives here in NY. I have seen him in the flesh. This is totally impossible.

This is totally impossible.

No it's not. If you know the password you can log into any account from anywhere.

I got this in an email from dkaz...

Mary, I don't understant this sharing account @!$%#. I've never shared an account with anyone.

Viki...I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time finding it. Would you mind posting a link? Thank you. :)

mary it is the tab right next to the discussion one, you do need to be a member of the meta vine though.

First of all this took place in 9/09....and under the name dkacz she was able to moderate the "hair" article.......

my husband cannot moderate MY posts.....is this not strange to anyone else????

Josh doesn't remember....that's convenient!!!

~Sara

Thanks cookin!! :) I found it!! :) (Thanks to you. :)

Perrie

Tyler,

Unless Peter can fly, there is some sort of glitch. Peter lives here in NY. I have seen him in the flesh. This is totally impossible.

Oh Lord....I have been declared an"unperson" livin' with Magoo and dkaz..in Florida, yet....

Tyler has me in his book of "unpeople"...

A book chock full of errors ...no doubt...

Otherwise, that crazy redhead from L.I.,Perrie,...Is havin' daydreams...

Sry Perrie....I said the lunch was on me...but you may be gettin' a bill...cuz I don't exist!

PS. Don't tell Visa

I can't post anything because I don't belong to a meta group. :-( Anybody know of a meta group?

Viki,

If we go to the meta article, what guarantee do we have that we have you or anyone else's attention? You just said that there will be no moderation, but does that mean that you won't be keeping up with this?

Josh doesn't remember....that's convenient!!!

Funny, cuz I remember her mentioning Josh too....maybe he needs some ADD meds.... or another job?

Mrs D... Go here and join the group. :) And when you are accepted, the conversation is on the "Discussion tab." (In this article.)

gpnavonod, still looking for a response about your account being accessed from an IP pretty far away from you that's identical to someone who had multiple accounts.

Well Find out who the imposter is.... and if you don't mind...Let me know.Cause to date...there's only one me ...and as I look out the window... I'm in NYC..... gpnavonod@yahoo.com

Listen, this account was created a year ago. Josh, nor any other Newsvine staff member, particular the engineering guys, couldn't possibly be expected to remember something like that.

Give us some slack ,Viki...the "Hair" article was almost the highest comment article in Newsvine history..

And Josh has a blackout????

...Come on, Viki..

.......get real.

Dennis,

I just checked with my hubby's IT buddy and he says that you can't have the same IP addy even if you are logging in to someone else's account, because IP addys are specific to an area and a provider. They can't have the same IP addy. But I know you like proof so here is some:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090416192010AAWVeoU

Now try this little trick

http://www.get-ip.com

and here is some more info:

A little bit about your IP address (Internet Protocol address). When you connect to the internet, either via your internet service provider (AOL, Prodigy, etc.), or your office LAN connection, you are assigned an IP address. This address identifies your computer from the other computers on the internet. Your IP address can be either static, meaning it never changes, or dynamic, meaning each time you dial-in or login you are assigned a new address for that session. Check with your internet service provider or network administrator to find out if your computer uses static or dynamic IP addressing.

http://www.lawrencegoetz.com/programs/ipinfo/

I am now going to take this to where Viki asked to take this dialog. Hopefully, the mix up will be straighten out by soon.

Repost this on the Metavine tab, please.

Dennis,

Thanks, I will and I have the evidence.

tyler

No Tyler,this is gpnavonod...or Peter gerard Donovan...I live in NCY...dkaz lives in Fla.

Your account has been accessed repeatedly from the same IP that accessed the dkaz/dkacz accounts. This kinda confirms the banning as a solid decision.

Do you have an explanation for that other than account sharing - also prohibited in the User Agreement?

Normally, I'd suspend you for account sharing, but I'll await a response first. If you want the dates I could send them to you.

Hi Tyler,

This is really getting interesting....Sooo?...you have uncovered a grand plot...on an Interstate level...[Really?...sharing myself ?... with whom?]

..I would really appreciate your explaining my part in it. Because I'm a bit bewildered....but it sounds exciting....and if you're plannin' another bannin'...Why not share the"evidence" with the rest of us...We could all use the drama.

N.B. You asked me a question that "assumes" evidence...Show it...

Tyler....I don't know where you're gettin' your info...but ....look at another source...You're way off track.....jus' some solid advise.

perrie thanks for that info, it was real interesting.

Isn't linking to another site WRONG....Just asking. I have been told we are not allowed to do this, but I am seeing this here. And when did "one" persons "opinion" become the "fact". Just asking. I read the story by Brian, and while he "may" have some good suggestions, it's liked to another forum, I thought was not allowed. Again, just trying to understand what is going on. When did "outside" help become NV's way of dealing with it's "own" issues? Hek

If anyone truly WANTS to make a difference here on NV, then they should BE HERE.

And Thank you Dennis, it is META, and when those that govern NV can't follow their own freaking rules, well...............I tried, but now I'm not so sure that re-joining was a good choice. Yea,I know I can quit, done it before and may do it again. If I can't speak here for what I write about, then this place is a joke. Hek

Hey How the heck do I get into this party?

Viki...I gotta apoligize to Tyler....He's right....I remember givin' that neatnik dkaz the key to my page ..to clean it up and make it "livable"....she vacummed my friends list [and I lost a leaf]....and made the rest of my crap look

like I was a" functional human"

...So that was the IP MYSTERY.....simply a visit to "clean up".... for a lazy guy.

Just asking. I read the story by Brian, and while he "may" have some good suggestions, it's liked to another forum, I thought was not allowed.

Brian didn't start this seed, so he didn't link to his own site/forum.

G.Bud, yea tell me about it. I am deeply sickened by this.

As far as the link, thanks for informing me, hell I get confused sometimes as I was once called out for linking my articles to groups I belonged too....I didn't know. However, I still believe if someone wants to "improve" NV, they should be here. I, as a viewer, still see it as a "cheap" shot to force NV to be the way they want. Talk about Temper Tantrum....argggg. Thanks, Hek

I'm sick and disgusted! Beyond why I quit last time. Now I know my first instincts are Always Right. God dammit.

Hek

Oh, and that makes it okay? I don't agree. With no disrepect to him personally, I liked the guy...why should it matter now, he isn't a member. Yes, I agree like I said changes need to happen, but from the MEMBERS, not outside voices..Hek, respectfually Viki.

You have to remember for us, not so long members, we are looking from the outside in and it's just an observation,one in with I know I had nothing to do with their own demise or reasons for quitting,....least they say "grow a thicker skin". I will never grow ugly think skin for anyone,I will be me, loving and caring and firm when needed. Again, just an observation. His "opinions" mean nothing to me if not here as a member. No one should turn into a "snake" with thicker skin, ever. We should be allowed to be who we are with restraints of course to the Coh, and if NV really did that fairly, maybe I wouldn't have left "twice". I just have too many friends here that I truly care about that have much to say. Again, Hek

Oh, and that makes it okay? I don't agree.

Heck, it's just a seed. Viki found an article and seeded it, because she thought it could lead to some good suggestions, and it has.

Yea, will the "souce" bothers me, when it's totally personal to NV....I get who it is, and I respect him, but this seems underhanded and shouldn't be an influence as we all know NV needs to change...that's not the issue, the issue it the moderators. Plain and simple to me. And while he may have suggestions, he should come back and not be used this way in a round a bout way to influence. Thanks Dennis, I am so glad you are here. You know that I am not one that is all hell bent set on "facts", I am but about principles, I live by them. I don't need anyone to teach me right from wrong, I have a God given conscious......humans could only server to try and ruin that, but I will never let then. Thank you for who you are. With much respect, Hek

I'm sick because of what happened here....about another member,in good standing. And why should it be allowed, because it happened here. I have had one of your "GUIDES" fix my avatar in the past, because I "trusted" them, and no, I didn't know them. I gave them my password, why? Because I believe there is more "good" in this world then evil and sometimes, just sometimes, we have to trust others, yea, even me...I do trust some, more then others, and I was greatly appreciative for their help. Sometimes I am willing to take a risk when someone says they are my friend. You better then anyone, know, there are people worthy of the best friendship we would so welcome in our daily lives, just as much here then if face to face. Hek

(((((((((((((((((Heck))))))))))))))))))) This isn't right. ): I am the one that kept logging on to that frickin hair article, that thing is so wonky...... dkaz would post back to me on it and it would never show up on the tracker. I was joking around with her and told her I wasn't going to stop until the comment count hit 10,000. I noticed the slight misspelling in her name when I was over there, but I didn't know she was having that much trouble. I was having some trouble but my computer is such a piece of junk anyway sometimes it's hard to tell. I feel like complete crap about it now. JJ

Okay Viki - they need some New "MODERATORS" now...and more then One, and "Consistency" would be nice. That's all I have left to say here. This place is full so of prejudice, they wouldn't know the difference between my daughters pee and mine, least a Scientist test it. It just shouldn't be that damn difficult! Oh well, Thank you.

Hek

Be nice.....

we need a MODERATOR ON THE WEEKENDS it is well known that there is no one watching the hen house on the weekends.

and what about "guides" having dual accounts???

I'm confused?

Is it's not allowed it should not be allowed for ANYONE...correct?

Well at first I thought that this was a petition to neuter Newsvine but it is not a petition. So what do I think? Let me think about that.

OK I thought and here is what I concluded:

Posting to a private business on line creates 9 million bazillion bosses (posters) and one or two workers (Newsvine employees) so lets look at that closely. Divide the 9 million bazillion by 10 representing many with multiple nics and the number goes down. Take out everyone who has no logical idea and that number is cut in half. Take out the best ideas and we are discussing 50 good ideas about how the business known as Newsvine should do something. Take out anything that is a personal reflection and we are down to 10 good ideas. Put those 10 up for a vote and 9 million bazillion posters would each vote to toss the brilliant 10 and start over but this time use my good idea.

So I have concluded that if I enjoy coming to Newsvine as-is I am firmly planted in meat life and just enjoying a little side trip that is Newsvine. But if I really, really want to change it, I am no longer in meat life, I have become a pixel. If I do become pixelated I can simply use fairy dust to make any changes I can imagine. I have the magic formula but lets keep this our secret:

You can change newsvine and your experience by not clicking on those things you find disturbing. You see it is not Newsvine that needs retraining, it is our own clicking finger. So I say lets all put our fingers on restriction.

No?

Oh well...I thought it was a good idea. ;-)

Viki Babbles Gonia I am still a little disappointed that you were not actually calling to neuter (fix) Newsvine, as surgery on a Friday morning would be something really above and beyond the thrill of "New". lol

We agree on those points of personal responsibility and you know that to keep it fun we have to really understand how we can make it miserable for our own personal selves by lack of restraint. There is something to be said for not getting too emotionally involved and then forget that this is not meat life, it is entertainment. I think these simple self restraint concepts apply to any website we may participate in. If I ever get bored I will move on but it is hard to get bored with so many ideas tossed around. I think I love self-control best in the midst of chaos. Perhaps we are all masochists?

I will gladly share my pixie dust! lol

A lot of whats been suggested can be accomplished by users exercising a little restraint once in a while. Stay away from the threads run by moderators who delete opposing views. Stay off those troll-magnet threads that don't end up being anything but a masturbatory festival of who can be the biggest jackhole.

Absolutely!! I was on a thread yesterday where my common sense was being insulted. I asked a couple of times if we could have a dialogue without the insults; the response was continued insults. So I stopped tracking the article and commenting. Seemed simple to me. The cool thing about Newsvine is that there is ALWAYS somewhere else to play where the people play nicer, too.

Believe me, if I were violating the CoH by having multiple accounts, and using them for malicious purposes, Newsvine would have fired me by now and booted me from Newsvine.

After everything that has happened here in the last few days, My opinion of newsvine integrity has been shaken. I'm now also wondering how many covert accounts newsvine staff may be running with the sole purpose of keeping users in check and squelching opposing view point or descent. Too many strange occurrences that can only lead me to believe this is being implemented, though maybe not on your level . You ask how to make newsvine more fun, Well it isn't by adopting a strict town hall style approach and suppressing individual character. I'd be shooting more for the pot luck dinner social which newsvines content has morphed into.

It seems to me Newsvine is too consumed with promoting innocent Polly Anna type behavior and protecting users who are naive to the rough and tumble world out here. You grow by real life expierience not by hiding behind apron strings. You become mentally stronger when you learn to confront issues head on, Pampered egos only lead to suicidal depression senario's brought about by letting others cripple your psyche and self worth . I was brought up and I raise my child with mental lessons which give the individual the ability to take a punch, except It, learn from it, and know how and when to counter attack if need be. There's a big psychology factor that Newsvine seems to be on the wrong track with, thus sucking the fun and learning experiences from your recipe.

I'd be shooting more for the pot luck dinner social which newsvines content has morphed into.

Ugh. Worst thing that ever happened to this site.

Tyler one of the funniest things I ever saw on a board like Newsvine was when the website edit suddenly revealed names used by the same persons under their history. As it played out you could look at their history and see that so-and-so would post under their nic and attack people. So-and-so would then come back and support their own attack under another completely unrelated name by saying things like "I absolutely agree with you" or "You are so right!" to themselves. Showing the one person dialogue was stuff of classic humor. One sweet, sweet innocent girl also posted under a different name and was really kinky. The names they posted under would never give you a clue about their self-relationship.

So about dkaz. One thing is very clear to me and that is this:

IF dkaz were trying to trick anyone she would be the world's worse double nic poser on the planet. The way one could recognise the heart in this is the two names:

dkacz and dkaz is not even close to being an attempt to fool. I vote dkaz has told you why and doing research may not get you an answer but the non-attempt to fool should help you decide if this is really an attempt to fool anyone.

For what it is worth...

Why is Brian constantly being referred to as a "former" member? His column is still up, as I checked to see that for myself. There it was. So, you are misleading people into thinking he is no longer a member of Newsvine.

I hope I am on the Metavine article - I did access this through that group.

I just wanted to voice my support in reinstating dkaz.

I have read through all of the postings (I hope) regarding dkaz, and I understand the Staff's decision to Ban as an offense of the User agreement of maintaining more than one account.

Is there ever an exception to this rule? I understand rules are rules - whether it's a malicious user or just someone wanting more than one account - the status of one account must be followed by all or the rule would be pointless. Yet, this case appears to be unique. dkaz was 'given' the second account, as I understand it, to help her maintain her moderator status due to an overly large comment section. Was it made clear to her that at some point she was to let go of the second account?? If not, then I wouldn't think she would be at fault; she could possibly have been thinking that more of her popular articles would require the use of a second account in the future, no? So, imo, I think reconsidering her Ban would not only be fair, but her presence on NV is in high regard. I also understand the violation of accessing 'gp's article. Maybe a two-strikes and you're out would be permissable in this case?? ..Just my opinion.

I just checked with my hubby's IT buddy and he says that you can't have the same IP addy even if you are logging in to someone else's account, because IP addys are specific to an area and a provider.

Sure you can, IP Proxy Servers allow you "anonymous" access to the internet as it is a separate connection between you and where you are connecting to. If you are address 1.1.1.1 and the proxy is 2.2.2.2 the site you are connecting to 3.3.3.3 sees your connection from 2.2.2.2 not your actual connection of 1.1.1.1, it is also very easy to spoof IP addresses. Blocking only based on IP address works in most cases, but if you are smart enough you can get around it.

Tyler , Help! Why is this an issue now ? It happened a year ago !

Tyler,

Have you reviewed my material? If so, is there any clemency for dkaz, since she didn't really didn't think that she was doing anything wrong?

I dont understand why some bodys banned for some thing happened a year ago when other people admitted to using each others accounts and theyre not banned for it. if teh rules are teh rules then whats going on? if you can cut some body else slack you can cut other people some slack.. I like you tyler but dkaz from what I read has never caused trouble.. give her a break pls

I dont understand why some bodys banned for some thing happened a year ago when other people admitted to using each others accounts and theyre not banned for it.

Maybe because "the prank" happened before the rules were tightened up (per viki).

Tyler please, please, please reinstate dkaz and Chris in VA....neither did anything maliciously or on purpose. If they had it would be different. Please reconsider.....

or may be some people think theres one rule for them an other rule for every one else

lets look at intent

its pretty clear from every thing I read.. dkaz wasnt malicious. shes a great viner. lots of people like her.. popular articles and comments. the duplicate was opened to fix a tech glitch and thats it. so let her come back. its not like shes posting articles about how to be a better klan member.

and plus shes hot. I figure theres at least a 0.1% chance there.. I like those odds!! but that goes down to zero if shes not here. ;)

Solidarity - lol - you are too funny and you're great!! ..."and plus shes hot" --hahahaha!

Im the most honest guy here lol don't be a cockblocker reinstate dkaz!! :)

tyler...

I can promise you Newsvine didn't tell dkaz to keep it open for a year and continue using it.

Nor did NV disable one or the other, thereby allowing BOTH to go on in perpetuity. NV knowingly created a multiple account, for technical reasons, and apparently forgot about it. This lack of interest, on the part of NV, would imply little to no importance was placed on the fact that ongoing multiple accounts existed, for a single Viner.

The original issue started with the problems, related to the Hair Article Part 1, and those access issues still exist today. Since then, NV has not seen fit to remedy that issue, other than band aiding it, by opening the second account for dkaz. The seed still has the same problems which led Josh to create the second account. This implies a further lack of interest, or knowledge, on the part of NV.

Is it possible to consider the opinion that NV shares, at the very least, some responsibility for this renegade second account? Otherwise, why did NV knowingly leave both accounts open in perpetuity?

....

Fast forward to Oct. 7th...

Around 9:00am, dkaz gets into it with viki, regarding alleged multiple accounts. By noon, in an unrelated, albeit coincidental, chain of events tyler bans dkaz for the same multiple account that NV created, nearly a year earlier.

....

Conveniently, Josh doesn't remember anything about the situation:

tyler...

Josh doesn't recall.

Doesn't recall what?

Creating the additional account? He creates multiple accounts so often, one is hard to distinguish from another?

The technical issues that led to the creation of the second account? Maybe that's why the technical issues still exist!

....

tyler...

How good a person your friends claim you are is not something that factors into moderation decisions.

It does in Courts all across this country, tyler. They're called character witnesses.

Are you stating, for the record, that your form of "moderation" is stricter than most courts in the land?

As my Dad, a Circuit Court Judge of 38 years, always believed...

There's the Letter of the Law and there's the Spirit of the Law.

I guess he hasn't learned how to "moderate."

...

Do the Right, Just and Correct thing and reinstate dkaz, albeit with a reasonable suspension. In the opinion of many, anything short of reinstatement will say a lot about your ability to truly and wisely "moderate."

Moderate:

1. Being within reasonable limits; not excessive or extreme.

2. Not violent or subject to extremes; mild or calm; temperate.

....

The day will come, as it has for most of us, when Life will undoubtedly put you in the position to hope for, and expect, leniency. If your wishes and prayers, as well as clean record and character witnesses, fail to provide that leniency, please take a moment to reflect back on those that failed to receive it from you...

....

Uncle Ben: Remember, with great power. comes great responsibility.

Global --- I think that would be a very 'fair' outcome if dkaz were reinstated with a "reasonable suspension."

I think the dual account issue is somewhat obscure in that I would like to know if she was given a time-frame that she could have the second account and was then to terminate it. If not, then open-ended would have been assumed. In the case of logging-in to another account, yes, that is a violation of the multiple account rule, but maybe she didn't understand it to be. We don't know.

Clemency - good choice of words. She would never and I mean never do anything underhanded and I put my reputation on the line for it. Sometimes rules were made to be broken, if not on purpose, but to clarify any future misunderstandings, for necessary change. Change is afterall what this is about, not dragging up old infractions that don't matter any more. After all, she was directed by staff to do this thing now, over a year ago she is being punished for. It's ridiculous. She's a great contributor here, and I happen to love her. I say this objectivley, as we didn't always agree on certain mutual friends or whatever, but we had respect for one another...that is more important then anything, most especially here on NV. Hek

At what point will the folks here honor Viki's request and take this to Meta-Vine? This is nominally about making Newsvine Better (see title)-not a testimonial about an individual viner.

Sorry. My bad. I will repost on Meta-Vine.

tyler

I gotta apoligize to Tyler....He's right....I remember givin' that neatnik dkaz the key to my page

gpnavonod, don't do this again. It's enabling someone else to violate the User Agreement

There's no need for any further "fixing" of my page...It works fine for my taste now, thanks to dkaz's decorating....... and I was watching ....and directing the action....I didn't give her the key...... and leave. The only comments made were on IM..as to how I wanted the place cleared and organized....

I didn't see anything wrong at the time with accepting an offer for a free cleaning...my housemaid and Dentist always charge me..

I didn't see anything wrong at the time with accepting an offer for a free cleaning.

He's not talking about the cleaning up of your page. He's telling you not to give your password to anyone, ever.

If you want it to the letter... to then you must be consistently clear. You cannot use both accts simultaneously.

It's impossible to be logged in to 2 accts simultaneously . You can only log into 1 at a time . To get to a 2nd account you must log out of the 1st .

GEEZ....What bad intentions? If you help someone clean their page...that's a bad intention?

and if you did...you'd log in as them.....so the maid service was remote...as I watched and directed......Nothing malicious ...nothing nefarious....just one friend helping another.... who has no sense of order. Her time was spent on managing the structure of my page..not commenting or voting.

Her time was spent on managing the structure of my page..not commenting or voting.

That's why you're still here.

Wow!

Well, at least now I know the back-story on what happened.

This is a strange one.

That it is, Mike.

• #1.85 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 9:39 PM EDT

I have had one of your "GUIDES" fix my avatar in the past, because I "trusted" them, and no, I didn't know them. I gave them my password

There's another admission of "account sharing" just in case anyone missed it.

There's another admission of "account sharing" just in case anyone missed it.

I've heard a rumor that Hek was banned . Is that possibly the reason ?

I heard a rumor that Viki banned Hek, and that there is a full on newsvine revolt in progress.

Also, I think I smell smoke.

;~)

Also, I think I smell smoke.

That's pot. :) lol Sorry, I'll put it out! ;P

Heckofawoman is not banned. I've addressed this on the thread of A. Mac's where it's been said.

Sorry ; My convo tracker says I've got 148 comments to read on A Mac's thread . I am not looking forward to sorting through that mess .

nonStitiousZealot

Don't feel shy about voting for my comments when you get there.

You know, if you want to...

Mike ,

If you make a comment there about having just smoked an illicit substance I'll be sure to vote that up .
[:~ P

If you smoke it with me, I'll vote it up too.

I got some put wit'!! LOL!!

Improving Newsvine-

1. Get a proper moderator for the NV journalism group I applied to membership over there forever ago and nobody ever responded. (Now I find out the guy who wrote this article is the moderator and he has time to fix the world but no time for a decision on whether my writing could be confused with journalism. I can't tell you what I think of that and obey Coh at the same time)
2. Raise the bar on collapsing articles to 20 more down votes than up votes. The tyrrany of 5 or 6 jerks should come to an end(If it is really a Coh violation the staff can collapse it, saving Tyler a bunch of time putting articles back up)

The loiterers that are referenced in the article that is seeded here, are often times the only support I get for my original works. Where were all of the utopian minded people that want NV to be a better place, probably writing articles moaning about how good NV used to be.

#3 Appreciate what you have. Users are a good thing, we need more not less.

JJ

Ps I am Mightyj on disquss and tried to comment on the seeded article but that thing won't let me on, if it would I would be adressing comments to Brian right now.

JJ — start a new journalism group.

I agree with all of the above.

Word JJ ! I will right the songs, that make the whole Vine sing ! (ha BM take that !)

he has some good points but i guess i should stay out of this, seeing as how i just joined newsvine and all!

Viki- I know, I was just goofing with you because I've been working the other seed as well.

Oh, my good golly!! LOL!!

Tyler thank you for responding to the issue.

I just wanted to clear it up, as there have certainly been quite a few false allegations and insinuations floating around. I can't find and address them everywhere, but I sure can on my own thread.

A few false allegations? I tend to look at them as honest observations.

I'd like to clear the air about a couple of things, First Viki Thank You for being right there to fix the problem, even on a weekend, all the way up to your time to be with your family. I appreciate this greatly! Secondly, allegations, I have never made, observations as Soosalah states is all most of us have to go by. Having had my account become disabled was concerning to me. But I know I had done nothing to warrant a banning, even though it appeared that way, and no blaming on my part was ever mentioned. The only thing I have ever wanted was to "understand"....I ask questions, a lot of them, but that's it.

Now here's an "observation", I'm really sick of, Test Anxiety, you need to leave me alone because I'm not going anywhere, least of all because you think you can make it happen, or want or wish it too, you can't. If I go anywhere, it will be MY choice, whether I leave of free will, or I do something to cause my demise here, Now please knock off your cheap shots towards me once and for all. Funny how on this entire article, the "only" comment you make here has to do with me, in a negative way. Don't think I didn't observe that which is just a bit too obvious for me.

Again Thank You Viki for your help, on YOUR weekend, and for my friends.

Hek

Viki

This account has been plastering sites with advertising for awhile now sdfhskd

Latest is McSpockys piece about ths dog that was shot by pokice.

Thanks Viki.

i just flagged one they are all over also. bastards.

I enjoy taking the time to flag all the handbag, shoe sales, spam. Hope it's helpful. Everyone should do their part for it to be a community.

I always flag advertising too. And I flag any hateful comments from Viners. How will NV know about them if we don't help?

You might also want to join the Newsvine Anti-Spam group...they tirelessly do the majority of heavy-lifting on trying to purge spammers from the Vine, acting as a sort of clearing-house for identifying spammers (props to Lauhal, Red Wolf, Viki and others who contribute lots of time to this effort).

i've joined that.

Let me get this straight.....

Someone comes on here to figure out why someone gets banned, then he just looks back and sees something that has been on for a year... doesn't find out why and just bans them because she spoke her mind?

Oh right ..... rules are rules...

Well you should use your crystal ball and look back far enough, you will see there are many on here in high positions with the same offense.

But this is not a popularity contest.... right?

Dennis P McCann

Her time was spent on managing the structure of my page..not commenting or voting.

That's why you're still here.

That's right. Dennis....unlike the real mischief you and Viki and 10 others were up to before you decided to read the rules..... Well after your own transgressions were forgiven by Calvin's enlightehed decision.... and have now become the merciless Grand Inquisitors of Newsvine....

I wonder why those who benefited from compassion ...have so little for others... who meant no harm.

Why do you think that is ,Dennis?

I am no "merciless Grand Inquisitor."

I am. Well, except that I'm not merciless. And not all that inquisitive. Or grand.

I have a question.. since I started reading about the guides the more confused I get

theres this article I found announcing the newsvine guides

in there tyler says that the guides are only supposed to be just that.. guides. when did the job description change to include looking at other peoples ip addresses? and why wasnt that change announced??

It looks like its a question so hard its taken five days.. and counting.. for any answer

Solidarity Nite......Wait....I think I hear someone. Oh wait, false alarm.

I would like to know why dkaz really got banned. I have read that several people have been suspended for more than one account. Suspended, not banned. So why would someone, who never even got suspended, get banned for something someone else just got a suspension for?

I have read that several people have been suspended for more than one account.

Nope. Multiple accounts result in banning.

Multiple accounts result in banning.

you sure about that??

when and why did the guides job description change so radically??

Nope. Multiple accounts result in banning

Not always. Out of curiousity Dennis, what exactly do you have against dkaz?? And I would appreciate it if you would be honest.

That's the first time I ever saw that happen.

when and why did the guides job description change so radically??

I don't know what you mean.

That's the first time I ever saw that happen.

it happened a while ago.. so now you can retire that tired line that multiple accounts always = banning since thats obviously not true.

I don't know what you mean.

rite.. thats ok since I wasnt looking for any answers from you any way :)

I'm amazed that Tyler didn't ban that guy.

rite.. thats ok since I wasnt looking for any answers from you any way :)

Then why ask the question?

you cant provide the answers to the question I asked.. its for newsvine and the guides to answer. last time I checked.. you werent

Out of curiousity Dennis, what exactly do you have against dkaz?? And I would appreciate it if you would be honest.

Are you planning on answering that one Dennis?

Are you planning on answering that one Dennis?

Absolutely nothing. I only ran across her once or twice over the past couple years.

its real nice to have newsvine and the guides answering questions like this. :(

when and why did that happen? tyler was clear in his responses that your duties were real limited. who changed the guides duties and why? and why werent there any announcements?

these are pretty relevant questions.. its good to know how the place is run and whose running it. if you think its about drama your wrong there.

I read you were only here to answer questions about how to better use the site later in 19.18 you said you werent mods. an other guide lauhal said your purpose, as Tyler stated so well above, is to focus on guiding new users in 19.40 again you said guides were about helping people use features of the site

I understand you mite not appreciate the questions since youre on the receiving end. but its not meant as an attack or drama. as a member of this site putting my time and effort in here just like every body elses I think its fair for users to know who the people are that are running the site and what they do or dont do..

if the roles of guides or mods what ever change that the people that make up this site should be kept informed.

I suggest one way to fix newsvine is to keep people updated about any changes like this to the site on some sort of more regular and prominent way

an other way to fix newsvine is to restore some clarity and transparency to how violations are handled

for example how many suspensions will result in a banning? theres some getting multiple suspensions who are still around.. others do the same thing and they get out rite banned. some violate the rules they get banned others get suspended. its not real consistent and when people start perceiving the rules arent exactly clear they start wondering whats going on.. clarity would benefit every one.

an other suggestion a suspensions list.. may be tack the suspensions rite on some ones page if they get one so that history if theres one is all out in the open

and def a ban list

teh part about duties dealing with user emails and issues being in addition to guide duties is def a change

wtf viki what was that??

viki when you wrote in addition that felt like you werent being totally forth rite with me because thats an addition to your guide duties just like I was asking about.. I dont like feeling that some one isnt being totally up front with me esp when theres no reason not to be.

I dont like feeling like the site has mods or guides what ever who seem to resent being asked questions about what they do.. its a question. its not an attack. if I dont get a consistent answer it comes off as disrespect not just to me but to every one just like me here.

and as it is I dont like feeling like the site has mods or guides what ever who apply the rules only as it pleases them and apparently with out regard for the either the well being of the site or the people who post here.

I think now the most important thing for newsvine is to build an other FAQ

brian ford mentioned a newsvine faq in his article here but it seems to have vanished

Oh my. There doesn't seem to be a page here anymore.

Sorry about that!

no faq doesnt really help!

the people who post here.. who really make up this site should have a clear idea of how the sites run and by whom.. the rules have to be consistently and fairly enforced.

from what I have seen read.. and heard.. over the past couple weeks it has really knocked a lot of the confidence I had in this site out of me. I dont like it when some one whose not a mod struts around telling other people what they can or cant do. I dont like it when I dont get strait answers. I dont like it when the rules seem to get enforced erratically.

and I dont think I'm the only one that has a prob with that

it wouldnt take much. just be fair be decent treat us rite. thats not too much to ask!

please fix newsvine.

That's a lot not to like about a website you're using. I wonder why you stay, honestly, if it's so horrible.

Well, I think you have a valid point, Viki....It's just not the same place since Calvin left....leaving the door open to...... less and less honesty... and more and more horrible...but then that's my opinion...Btw? Is that permissible anymore?

http://technorati.com/politics/feature/paranoid-guide-to-better-living/

Maybe It's me....

Every member of Newsvine, not just Tyler, not just Guides, has the right, and really, the responsibility to help uphold the CoH by reminding users of it when they see violations. And reporting those violations as well.

If you don't mind, Viki, I'm going to copy and paste your comment for a particular person to see as it's a little frustrating when you're told to mind your own business. I hate to say it, but people don't like being reminded of the COH when it comes from another member, no matter how polite it may be said.

SN,

I dont like it when some one whose not a mod struts around telling other people what they can or cant do.

I don't strut, and it's always been the norm for members to help other members, new or old, to remember the COH.

Tyler

May I say my peace. I was on dkaz article and thoroughly remember the second account mentioned earlier. In fact I also remember as a joke we and a few others requested to be friends of dkacz. Like reading the beginning commit of this.

Make it fun. (Again.)

dkaz taught me how that was possible on Newsvine, for which I joined for political discussions. Knowing my place or how to get there is what she taught me before we had guides. This was all the start of 2009 and I was already 6 months into my account here by then. I had already written my first article but mistakenly published on my seed which the administrators admonished me for it. My bad I did not know.

So please excuse me for pointing out according to her page of dkazc she had not voted on any other articles other than the hair one I am looking at at this moment. Yes it was meta and was a lot of fun.

http://dkacz.newsvine.com/

So please do not think that my intentions are in no way trying to overrule your authority but like in evidence rules of courts let it be shown and admitted.

thank you

D Johnson

so much for anonymity

Poof !!

Holy crap, how did I get back here. This is all the way back to when the NV staff used to actually want user suggestions about improving Newsvine.

I wonder what happened to that.....

Might as well take a look around at some of the history though.....

Let's see.....

Dkaz makes rude comment to Viki,

Viki digs through NV log history finds issue,

Tyler bans............everybody is up in arms.

A mac has a thread somewhere around here where Dennis pisses off the world defending Tyler and Viki's actions in the matter..........

I wonder how that is working for him now.

I was trying to keep it short. I know there was all kinds of stuff involved that went beyond my brief overview. Since then I have learned not to get involved in the hand wringing involved in the bannings of friends. Most every user that was ever banned had friends (Except for some of the nastier re-regs and the god forsaken spammers).

Dennis did stick up for you and the NV moderators, that part of this I am sure of. I didn't think much of him for it at the time, always going on about the damn rules and how the website wouldn't care if we all left. There would be new members tomorrow to take our places. Made it sound like we were polluting his vine or something.

Those were the days.

Dkaz was funny and had the best links, (I still use some of them) but they can't let a blatant violation of the user agreement slide. Not for anybody.

Ps- That was a good word

obfuscate- Render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible. Bewilder (someone).......

I'm not too much up on the political end of things, but I just saw this before signing out. It made me sad seeing Heck, because she is gone now.........I think she got some suspensions, but I never knew for what, and she never told me either, even tho we emailed. We never discussed it. She never brought it up. I don't know if she got banned or quit. Anyway, I just feel sad about her not being here. She was everyone's friend........

Was I gone when this all happened?

How the hell did I get on this article?

Is this the reason I've been noticing a monthly ban article in the recent months?

Will this elongated comment go to 1.200 this year or next? or never?

Hek quit on a number of occasions (Hence the many spellings of her name) I like to think that she found one special relationship in her life that replaced the social aspect of the vine.

Her daughter had an account here too. Can't remember the exact avatar name (something to do with being a blonde if I remember correctly). I think she is on the hair article part 2. Remind me if I you don't know where that is and I will check for you.

the only reason I'm typing this is to be comment number 200

Pat do you remember Hek's daughters name? This makes me 201. Oh Yeah!!

Viki:

Dkaz makes rude comment to Viki,

If that's what it took, I'd be loooooooooooong gone.

Viki:

And then made up a bunch of crap about IP addresses.

Yeah. I have a hazy memory of that.

That was a good meta-splosion for me (though not for the Vine and/or everyone directly involved, obviously) because I can now say with a clear conscience that I wasn't in every big meta war that ever happened.

Jack- I think a lot of the people that left over it came back. Some with new names and others just back to their accounts like nothing ever happened. A new website was started and stuff. I tried having an account there but the venue was small, the exposure non-existant, and there were some start up issues relating to the fact that for a while it seemed like a catch-all for banned viners.

I hear it is going well now but they moved and my account didn't survive the move (Must have fell off of the truck) so I really don't know. This was my first meta drama ....well ever. Dana (Dkaz) was a nice person generally and besides her run in with Viki and that other viner I never heard of her having strife with anyone on the vine.

I noticed her name was misspelled once but failed to register the fact that she had multiple accounts.

mighty:

I have friends over there, but the small venue issue literally drives me insane. Even the very best small venue on the net, the League of Ordinary Gentlemen, is just too claustrophobic for my tastes.

I'll have to check in with the improved site, though.

This was my first meta drama ....well ever.

Baptism under fire.

Baptism under fire.

Useless handwringing over another banning. I have come to the conclusion that no matter how much I like a person they have to look after their own account. Besides having a meta-bloodbath funeral over a screen name is not an efficient use of time.

Anyone who wants to be a good viner can have an account here at any time. It is up to them to not @!$%# it up.

A friend told me that you are from the Boston area. I am up in Gloucester working at the dock right now. (Machining boat parts) This has been the nicest New England winter ever.

mighty:

Scary nice. Makes me want to go right-wing-crazy on Global Warming.

Did you ever see my Motif #1 article?

Wow!

It's nice to revisit this Vine-drama that almost caused me to leave. I'm glad I distanced myself from it, but I honestly miss some of the "damned". Not all, but some. :)

How I would fix Newsvine

I would fix Newsvine a margarita in a fish bowl.

jj,

Those look absolutely Yummy!

They are definitely invited to the vine meet. (:

mightyj----I've finally been forced to open a folder in my bookmarks "jpeg mightyj" for these hilarious visual storytellers you use! You're a bit of a storyartist yourself, me thinks.

story- Gosh......Thank You. (: Things get sooo serious on the vine sometimes. Having a few laughs is needed.